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Scott Williams 🐧I am a fan of <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/golang" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#golang</a>. I don't say it enough. My love of <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/python" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#python</a>, <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/bash" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#bash</a>, and <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/BASIC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BASIC</a>, I wear on my sleeve, but among the many other languages I code in, I almost always appreciate an opportunity to use Go. It just clicked for me in a way rust never did.(Obligatory disclaimer upon realizing the date that this is not an April Fools post.)

Juan F. RamírezA cool 3D Pac Man clone made in <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/BASIC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BASIC</a> & <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/machinecode" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#machinecode</a> for <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/yourcomputer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#yourcomputer</a> magazine.You could type it up or write to the author to buy a copy (£2,30), but now you can download it from here: <a href="https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/entry/1483/ZX-Spectrum/Dracman" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/entry/1483/ZX-Spectrum/Dracman</a>This game by Mark C. Jones was later released as 3D Bat Attack by Cheetah Soft<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/zxspectrum" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#zxspectrum</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/retrogaming" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#retrogaming</a>

Artyom BologovOkay, I've gotten back to <a href="https://merveilles.town/tags/BASIC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BASIC</a>, and this time I dug deeper. Seems like there are means of abstractions after all. There are one-liner functions (DEF FN) and multi-line subroutines (GO SUB & RETURN.) So I can actually structure my programs without <a href="https://merveilles.town/tags/GOTO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GOTO</a>-s! Maybe I'll implement <a href="https://merveilles.town/tags/ed" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ed</a> in BASIC after all...<a href="https://merveilles.town/tags/theWorkshop" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#theWorkshop</a>

Raymond RussellBeen Tinkering in Speccy BASIC to PRINT a double height font. For all of its flexibility Sinclair BASIC doesn't really do text that great. You can PRINT AT X,Y co-ordinates and set INK and PAPER colour but that's it. No bold, height or width size changes. You can use alternative fonts by loading them in and using 2 POKEs to use them. My BASIC program is very slow and uses a very similar algorithm that I would use for a Z80 version. Its all PEEKS and POKES. <a href="https://mastodon.scot/tags/ZXSpectrum" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ZXSpectrum</a> <a href="https://mastodon.scot/tags/BASIC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BASIC</a> <a href="https://mastodon.scot/tags/Font" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Font</a> <a href="https://mastodon.scot/tags/Z80" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Z80</a>

David, not "Dave"My goal was to try and implement a versioning system for <a href="https://oldbytes.space/tags/BASIC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BASIC</a> programs without user intervention, but if I can't reliably get the file name, the idea (at least the approach) goes out the window.

Digital Mark λ ☕️ 🕹 🙄Nice, Hotpaw BASIC updated on iPhone & iPad. It's the same as Chipmunk BASIC for Mac, sorta for Linux & PC (it lacks a lot of graphics & system integrations on those). <a href="https://appdot.net/tags/basic" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#basic</a>

amen zwa, esq.The original <a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/tags/LISP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LISP</a> had 7 primitives: \(\texttt{cons}\), \(\texttt{car,}\) \(\texttt{cdr}\), \(\texttt{atom}\), \(\texttt{quote}\), \(\texttt{eq}\), and \(\texttt{cond}\). And the original <a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/tags/Smalltalk" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Smalltalk</a> syntax could fit on a 5×7 card. That meant a novice could learn the syntax in a matter of minutes, and direct all his efforts to learning how properly to wield the power of that Turing-complete language. This was why, in the 1970s and the 1980s, many college freshmen were taught FP in Scheme (a more modern LISP) and many middle school children were taught OO in Smalltalk. These were surely the best "first" <a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/tags/programming" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#programming</a> languages.<a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/tags/FORTRAN" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FORTRAN</a> and <a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/tags/BASIC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BASIC</a> were simple, too. FORTRAN, the first high-level language, has been in continuous use since the late 1950s by engineers, who are not keyboard warriors. BASIC was invented in the early 1960s for teaching programming to non-STEM students at Dartmouth. It sired a whole generation of self-taught children in the 1980s.Compare those to C++, Erlang, Python, Haskell, Java, JavaScript, Scala, Rust, Kotlin, and pretty much every language in popular use today. Most consider Python and JavaScript to be the simplest of modern languages. Yet, they are massive, complex languages. No 10-year-old could teach himself those, nor should he.The original versions of those classic languages cannot be used to solve modern problems. But they should still be taught to youngsters as their first language. Throwing in the kids' faces a modern enterprise language confuses them and discourages them. Consequently, many novices never attain that state of flow, when the joy of programming gushes forth.<a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/tags/Simplicity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Simplicity</a> is a virtue.

randomwizardI have been restructuring Richard Garriott's DND1 code that was written in BASIC. The old kind of BASIC where you had line numbers and did a lot of GOTO a line number.It is fascinating trying to move it around with more modern eyes and years of programming dogma.The code only has the concept of global variables. Every variable you make is then in the global space.You can reuse a bit of code anywhere by just doing a GOTO line number. But it makes it very difficult to reason about because you might think of a stack of lines as a function and want to group them together, but some code somewhere else might just jump right into the middle of it!Some bit of code might rely on some variable from somwhere else but it is difficult to know if some other bit of code is clobbering it.Anyhow, this is the restructured version I put together.<a href="https://codeberg.org/random-wizard/dnd1/src/branch/main/restructured/dnd1.basic" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://codeberg.org/random-wizard/dnd1/src/branch/main/restructured/dnd1.basic</a>I moved things into GOSUB sections. Each GOSUB gets 1000 lines (usually it goes by 10s so only 100 lines) and the last line always ends in 999 and is a RETURN. A REM SUBROUTINE means nothing will GOTO in the middle of it.This way it sort of acts like a traditional function. Still does not have arguments though.I wonder if there are any companies out there looking for BASIC programmers.<a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/tags/crpg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#crpg</a> <a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/tags/ultima" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ultima</a> <a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/tags/basic" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#basic</a> <a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/tags/computerhistory" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#computerhistory</a> <a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/tags/gaminghistory" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#gaminghistory</a> <a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/tags/rpg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#rpg</a>

Venty 🇨🇭🫕Got my <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/Mega65" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mega65</a> set up again after fixing the Floppy Eject Button and am now ready to create a little <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/BASIC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BASIC</a> program for <a href="https://xoxo.zone/@dddaaannn" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@dddaaannn</a> and <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/drwuro" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#drwuro</a> Screenful Of BASIC Competition. Actually found a competitor (see screenshot) but have to tweak it and translate to english for the Compo. 😀

Scott Williams 🐧I'm tempted to put together a "State of <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/QBASIC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#QBASIC</a> on <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Linux</a>" talk.There's actually been some really cool stuff done with it in recent years, like qbjs and even a web server. We still talk about COBOL and FORTRAN, but <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/BASIC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BASIC</a> in general is still getting some love to this day.<a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/programming" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#programming</a>

Juan F. RamírezThis <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/BASIC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BASIC</a> routine from <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/microhobby" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#microhobby</a> draws a flower after entering the number of petals, radius of the flower and radius of the petals<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/zxspectrum" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#zxspectrum</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/retrogaming" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#retrogaming</a>

Sholto FisherI still feel some of the excitement I felt in 1983 when I held this in my hands for the first time. I wish I had hung on to my copy. <a href="https://mastodon.scot/tags/BASIC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BASIC</a> <a href="https://mastodon.scot/tags/programming" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#programming</a> <a href="https://mastodon.scot/tags/zxspectrum" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#zxspectrum</a> <a href="https://mastodon.scot/tags/c64" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#c64</a>

leeuwqb64. remove the first line, then it could be compiled with freebasic. it could work with other "modern" basics as well. i could have gone much more silly than this. an alternative was to require only qb64. and use "select everycase." then challenge c/c++ and python programmers to match it. <a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/tags/programming" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#programming</a> <a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/tags/basic" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#basic</a> <a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/tags/qb64" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#qb64</a> <a href="https://pastes.io/porteustory" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://pastes.io/porteustory</a>

Profoundly NerdyAll languages have life cycles. Hell, some even go dormant and become popular — or unexpectedly critical – again. What would qualities would a language need to have to eventually threaten Python's dominance? My fear is any innovative ideas will just get absorbed. Yes, I realize much of <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/Python" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Python</a>'s muscle is marketing by big industry players.<a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/programming" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#programming</a> <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/perl" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#perl</a> <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/python" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#python</a> <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/raku" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#raku</a> <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/forth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#forth</a> <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/assembly" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#assembly</a> <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/cplusplus" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#cplusplus</a> <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/cpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#cpp</a> <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/js" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#js</a> <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/fortran" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#fortran</a> <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/cobol" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#cobol</a> <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/BASIC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BASIC</a> <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/nimlang" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#nimlang</a> <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/golang" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#golang</a>

Profoundly NerdyThe annual <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/BASIC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BASIC</a> 10 Liner contest has returned! Code like it's 1989!<a href="https://gkanold.wixsite.com/homeputerium/rules2025" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://gkanold.wixsite.com/homeputerium/rules2025</a><a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/programming" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#programming</a> <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/retrocomputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#retrocomputing</a> <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/c64" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#c64</a> <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/atari" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#atari</a> <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/apple2" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#apple2</a> <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/appleii" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#appleii</a> <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/spectrum" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#spectrum</a> <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/amiga" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#amiga</a> <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/riscos" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#riscos</a> <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/msdos" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#msdos</a> <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/freedos" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#freedos</a>

JuanSomeone was asking on IRC how to do <a href="https://mastodon.gamedev.place/tags/BASIC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BASIC</a> cross development on an <a href="https://mastodon.gamedev.place/tags/Amstrad" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Amstrad</a> CPC; as in: edit your BAS in a PC and easily load it on an Amstrad CPC.I put together this: <a href="https://git.usebox.net/pc-cpc-basic/about/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://git.usebox.net/pc-cpc-basic/about/</a>(my contribution is just the Makefile and the README, all the magic is by iDSK)

h o ʍ l e t t→ Four big reasons to worry about <a href="https://mamot.fr/tags/DeepSeek" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeepSeek</a> (and four reasons to calm down) <a href="https://www.platformer.news/deepseek-ai-explainer-china-worries/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.platformer.news/deepseek-ai-explainer-china-worries/</a>“Anyone who has sent the same query to <a href="https://mamot.fr/tags/ChatGPT" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ChatGPT</a>, <a href="https://mamot.fr/tags/Claude" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Claude</a>, and <a href="https://mamot.fr/tags/Gemini" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Gemini</a> […] has known […] that you can get basically as good an answer from any of them. And anyone who has used <a href="https://mamot.fr/tags/Llama" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Llama</a> has known […] that the <a href="https://mamot.fr/tags/open" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#open</a>-weights version that arrives later is only slightly worse. Right now a lot of investors are catching up to these <a href="https://mamot.fr/tags/basic" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#basic</a> facts at the same time, and <a href="https://mamot.fr/tags/stock" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#stock</a> prices are falling accordingly.”

Susan Larson ♀️🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🌈<a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Trump</a>’s <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/definitions" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#definitions</a> of “<a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/male" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#male</a>” and “<a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/female" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#female</a>” are <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/nonsense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#nonsense</a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/science" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#science</a> with staggering <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/ramifications" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ramifications</a> “How can you so fully <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/misunderstand" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#misunderstand</a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/basic" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#basic</a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/human" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#human</a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/biology" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#biology</a>, and then <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/legislate" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#legislate</a> about it?” <a href="https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/01/trumps-definitions-of-male-and-female-are-nonsense-science-with-staggering-ramifications/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/01/trumps-definitions-of-male-and-female-are-nonsense-science-with-staggering-ramifications/</a>

Anthony HortonThe kid and I had a great time at the Centre for Computing History in Cambridge today. As I anticipated he had fun playing old games on the many computers, games consoles and arcade machines, but he was also surprisingly interested in writing 2 line BASIC programs on the BBC computers in the "80's classroom" room.<a href="https://www.computinghistory.org.uk/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.computinghistory.org.uk/</a><a href="https://aus.social/tags/ComputerHistory" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ComputerHistory</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/RetroComputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#RetroComputing</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/BBCcomputer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BBCcomputer</a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/BASIC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BASIC</a>

µPLiam Proven published an article on <a href="https://geeknews.chat/@theregister" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@theregister</a> about the role of <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Commodore" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Commodore</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/BASIC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BASIC</a> in terms of the general view of the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/programming" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#programming</a> language:<a href="https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/03/reevaluating_basics_legacy/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/03/reevaluating_basics_legacy/</a><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/RetroComputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#RetroComputing</a>

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