Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mastodon.social/@benpate" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ben Pate 🤘🏻</a> Not everyone will want to offer their music on Bandwagon for money. Some may want to give it away for free for various reasons (non-commercial license, German hobbyist artists not wanting to hassle with the German tax system and GEMA etc.), and Funkwhale may not be a viable option for them. At the same time, they may not want to or even be able to pay the same prices for anything beyond basic functionality as musicians or bands who intend to actually make money with their music.<br><br>Some features should remain free for music that's offered for free. For example, it shouldn't be lossless downloads that a musician or a band has to pay for as a feature, but charging money for lossless downloads. Having everyone pay for e.g. offering FLAC downloads favours commercial artists, and the anti-capitalist parts of the Fediverse <em>will</em> criticise you for that.<br><br>Alternatively, you could make the license choosable from a pull-down list per song or per album or for an entire account. And when a commercial license (or any license that isn't decidedly non-commercial) is selected, certain features are greyed-out or removed unless they're paid for. At the same time, when a non-commercial license is selected, the UI elements for charging money are greyed out or removed.<br><br>Also, if you ever plan to open-source and decentralise Bandwagon, you can't expect all instances to charge the same for the same. Even if you hard-code in what must be paid for, the moment Bandwagon is open-source, there will be at least one fork where certain or all payments are not hard-coded anymore. Not only will some musicians or bands prefer that fork for their own instances, but it's even likely that public instances of such a fork will be launched.<br><br>At that point, your pricing calculation will become moot.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Bandwagon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Bandwagon</a>
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Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://toot.cat/@garry" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Garry Knight</a> @<a href="https://mstdn.social/@qurlyjoe" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">qurly(not curly)joe</a> This, by the way, is something that next to nobody in the Fediverse knows, and that many will deny and fight with all they can:<br><br>Alt-text must never include exclusive information that is neither in the post text nor in the image itself. Such information must always go into the post itself. If you don't have room in the post, add it to a reply or multiple.<br><br>That's because not everybody can access alt-text. Certain physical disabilities can make accessing alt-text impossible, for example, if someone can't use their hands. Money quote from way down <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/4376779b-8bd1-4da9-9c38-92a7fae57abb" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this comment thread</a>:<br><br> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/@gnomicutterance" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><span><a href="https://hachyderm.io/@gnomicutterance" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Deborah</a> schrieb den folgenden <a href="https://hachyderm.io/@gnomicutterance/110691919197248049" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Beitrag</a> <span class="">Mon, 10 Jul 2023 23:30:45 +0200</span></span> <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@jupiter_rowland</a> <br><br>I have a disability that prevents me from seeing alt text, because on almost all platforms, seeing the alt requires having a screenreader or working hands. If you post a picture, is there info that you want somebody who CAN see the picture but DOESN’T have working hands to know? Write that in visible text. If you put that in the alt, you are explicitly excluding people like me.<br><br>But you don’t have to overthink it. The description of the image itself is a simple concept. <br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Inclusion" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inclusion</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=A11y" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">A11y</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Accessibility" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Accessibility</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTweet" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTweet</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteToot" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteToot</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteBoost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteBoost</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mastodon.online/@sunflowerinrain" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">sunflowerinrain</a> @<a href="https://mastodon.green/@Tarnport" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Tarnport</a> From what I've read, a digital photograph is considered the default. So for brevity reasons, it <em>must not</em> be mentioned.<br><br>Any other media <em>must</em> be mentioned, whether it's a painting, a screenshot from a social media app, a scanned analogue photograph, a flowchart, a CAD blueprint, a 3-D rendering or whatever.<br><br>But an alt-text must <em>never</em> start with "Image of", "Picture of" or "Photo of". That's considered bad style and a waste of characters and screen-reading time. If the medium is not mentioned, digital photograph falls into its place as a default.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://io.waxandleather.com/@alisynthesis" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Alison Wilder</a> Because if you want full-blown user rights and all the same features as a local user on <em>all</em> over 30,000 Fediverse instances, you need a local user account on each one of them.<br><br>This means two things:<br><ul><li>If you come over to the Fediverse for the first time, and you register your first account on Mastodon, you automatically also register an account on 30,000+ more instances.</li><li>If you decide to host your own instance of whatever, and you spin it up for the first time, your instance immediately creates tens of millions of user accounts. One for everyone who has ever joined the Fediverse. Because anyone may decide to come over to your instance and use it, just like so.</li></ul><br>For one, this is utter overkill.<br><br>Besides, this is technologically impossible. This would require <em>all Fediverse instances</em> to know <em>all other Fediverse instances</em>. With no exceptions. Like, if I start up my own (streams) instance for the first time, and half a second later, someone on the other side of the globe starts up a Gancio instance, they would immediately have to know each other. And all the other instances in the Fediverse.<br><br>And, of course, it would require a newly-launched instance to know <em>all Fediverse users</em>. Again, with no exception.<br><br>How and from which source are they supposed to know?<br><br>That said, there is a single sign-on system for the Fediverse. It's called <a href="https://magicsignon.org/page/openwebauth/home" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">OpenWebAuth</a>. It was created by @<a class="" href="https://fediversity.site/channel/mikedev" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mike Macgirvin 🖥️</a> (creator of Friendica and all its descendants) in the late 2010s already for now-defunct <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/The_Zotlabs_projects#Zap" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zap</a>, a fork (of a fork?) of <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> which, in turn, is a fork of the currently hyped Facebook alternative <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a>. It was backported to Hubzilla in 2020. Everything that came after Zap, including the still existing <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/(streams)" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">streams repository</a>, got it, too.<br><br>However, first of all, OpenWebAuth is only fully implemented on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte. Plus, it has client-side support on Friendica. This means that Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte recognise logins on all four, but Friendica doesn't recognise logins from anywhere.<br><br>As for Mastodon, OpenWebAuth implementation was actually developed to the point of an official merge request in Mastodon's GitHub repository. As far as I know, it was rejected. Mastodon won't implement OpenWebAuth, full stop.<br><br>Besides, it doesn't give you all the same power as a local user. You can't log into Friendica, go to a Hubzilla hub and create a wiki or a webpage or a CalDAV calendar, just like so.<br><br>OpenWebAuth is only for guest permissions. Because on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte, permissions are everything.<br><br>For example, let's assume you have an account and a channel on (streams). Let's also assume that your (streams) channel and this Hubzilla channel of mine here are connected. Furthermore, let's assume that I've decided to only allow my own full connections to see my profile.<br><br>If you're logged out, and you go to my profile page, you see nothing.<br><br>But then you log in. And you come back to my profile page (provided your browser is configured so that the Hubzilla hub that I call home is allowed to create cookies). My home hub recognises your login on (streams). It identifies you as you, as one of my contacts. Thus, it identifies you as someone who is permitted to see my profile.<br><br>And all of a sudden, you see my profile.<br><br>That, for example, is what OpenWebAuth is for.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Zap" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zap</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=SingleSignOn" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">SingleSignOn</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=OpenWebAuth" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">OpenWebAuth</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://climatejustice.social/@PaulaToThePeople" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PaulaToThePeople</a> <blockquote>Mastodon decided against quote posts so far, so Hubzilla and (streams) should not allow quoting Mastodon posts.</blockquote><br>I mean, I could propose to Mike, Mario and Harald to automatically remove the Share button under any and all posts and comments from Mastodon, just to see their reactions.<br><br>But as a matter of fact, Pleroma and Akkoma can quote-post Mastodon toots just the same. The same goes for Misskey and its over 50 forks, including but not limited to JavaScript-based Iceshrimp which won't get any new features, Iceshrimp.NET which isn't officially released yet, Sharkey, CherryPick and Catodon. And Friendica can quote-post Mastodon toots, too.<br><br>Several dozen Fediverse server projects can quote-post Mastodon toots. They all would have to change. Or they all would have had to change the moment that it was decided that Mastodon lacks quote-posts to protect its users rather than to stay simple.<br><br><blockquote>And where are you reading that Mastodon will reinvent the wheel? To me it reads like they are working on Fediverse-wide interoperability for these features.</blockquote><br>That has been Mastodon's track record since its very inception. I won't believe that anything has changed about this until Mastodon actually implements technology introduced by another Fediverse server project.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePosts</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTweet" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTweet</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTweets" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTweets</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteToot" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteToot</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteToots" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteToots</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteBoost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteBoost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteBoosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteBoosts</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotedShares" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotedShares</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePostDebate" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePostDebate</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTootDebate" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTootDebate</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://climatejustice.social/@PaulaToThePeople" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PaulaToThePeople</a> It isn't just a matter of consent. Besides, for example, I do have quote-post control here on Hubzilla.<br><br>I can give permission to quote-post my posts to<br><ul><li>everyone in the Fediverse</li><li>everyone on Hubzilla and (streams)</li><li>everyone on this hub</li><li>approved and unapproved connections</li><li>only approved connections</li><li>only those of my connections whom I explicitly give permission by contact role</li><li>nobody but myself</li></ul><br>Over on (streams), I can still give that permission to<br><ul><li>everyone in the Fediverse</li><li>all my connections</li><li>only myself + specific connections whom I grant that permission either by permission role or by individual connection settings</li></ul><br>It's much more a matter of technology.<br><br>Mastodon is about to completely re-invent the wheel with a non-standard, Mastodon-only setting. This setting will only work within Mastodon simply because it probably won't even be documented anywhere, especially not before it's officially rolled out.<br><br>There simply is no way that every last instance of Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp, CherryPick, Catodon, Meisskey, Tanukey, Neko, dozens of other Misskey forks, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte etc. etc. will have that setting implemented <em>before</em> Mastodon rolls it out so that even the users on mastodon.social are perfectly safe from the first second on.<br><br>Besides, @<a class="" href="https://fediversity.site/channel/mikedev" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mike Macgirvin 🖥️</a>, creator of Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte and still the only maintainer of the latter two, will <em>never</em> introduce proprietary Mastodon features to them. He'd rather risk (streams) and Forte becoming incompatible with Mastodon. The same goes for @<a class="" href="https://hub.somaton.com/channel/mario" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mario Vavti</a> and @<a class="" href="https://hub.volse.no/channel/harald" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Harald Eilertsen</a>, Hubzilla's main maintainers.<br><br>If Mastodon wants to become a perfectly safe haven against unallowed quote-posting, it has only got one choice: It must introduce something like (streams)' and Forte's user agent filter and use it to block just everything that isn't Mastodon. Like, include a hard-coded allowlist that only includes Mastodon plus what little can't quote or quote-post anyway.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pleroma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Akkoma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkeys" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkeys</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Calckey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Calckey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Firefish" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Firefish</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Iceshrimp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Iceshrimp</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CherryPick" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CherryPick</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Sharkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sharkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Catodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Catodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePosts</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTweet" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTweet</a> #<a class="" 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Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://climatejustice.social/@PaulaToThePeople" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PaulaToThePeople</a> @<a href="https://stefanbohacek.online/@stefan" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stefan Bohacek</a> Keep one thing in mind:<br><br>Mastodon may not have quote-posts yet. But <strong>the Fediverse has quote-posts right now.</strong> And it has had them since before Mastodon was made.<br><br>Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp, CherryPick, Catodon, Meisskey, Tanukey, Neko, dozens of other Misskey forks, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte etc. etc., they all have quote-posts. They're all fully capable of quote-posting any Mastodon toot.<br><br>None of them has introduced quote-posts to harass Twitter refugees on Mastodon. At least Friendica and Hubzilla have had quote-posts since long before Mastodon was even made.<br><br><blockquote>You will be able to choose whether your posts can be quoted at all.</blockquote><br>At least by Mastodon users.<br><br>But since this will be Mastodon re-inventing the wheel with brand-new, proprietary, Mastodon-only technology, everything I've listed above will still be able to quote-post anyone and anything on Mastodon with zero resistance.<br><br>To quote-post myself and the guy who invented Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte:<br><br> <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland?f=&zid=helvede.net%40helvede.net" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><span><a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland?f=&zid=helvede.net%40helvede.net" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jupiter Rowland</a> schrieb den folgenden <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/4b01693c-31f5-4998-80f2-2ee530201190?f=&zid=helvede.net%40helvede.net" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Beitrag</a> <span class="">Sat, 20 Jul 2024 01:29:11 +0200</span></span> I think I've just chased someone out of the Fediverse.<br><br>That someone was afraid of Mastodon being "screwed over" by becoming quote-post-able.<br><br>I've told him the truth: Mastodon has been quote-post-able for as long as it has been around. Mastodon became quote-post-able the very moment it was launched.<br><br>That's because when Mastodon was launched, it immediately federated with Friendica which is from 2010, which had been around for almost six years at that point, and which has had quote-posts from its own inception AFAIK. Mastodon also immediately federated with Hubzilla which has had quote-posts since its own inception, since it had been forked from Friendica, and that was in 2012.<br><br><strong>Mastodon has <em>never</em> been un-quote-post-able.</strong><br><br>Right now, there are <em>dozens</em> of Fediverse server apps whose users can quote-post Mastodon toots with no resistance.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePosts</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTweet" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTweet</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTweets" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTweets</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteToot" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteToot</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteToots" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteToots</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteBoost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteBoost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteBoosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteBoosts</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotedShares" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotedShares</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePostDebate" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePostDebate</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTootDebate" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTootDebate</a> <br> <a href="https://fediversity.site/channel/mikedev?f=&zid=helvede.net%40helvede.net" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><span><a href="https://fediversity.site/channel/mikedev?f=&zid=helvede.net%40helvede.net" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mike Macgirvin 🖥️</a> schrieb den folgenden <a href="https://fediversity.site/item/6e7c3fd2-1de5-4a08-8455-4d5689a9f658?f=&zid=helvede.net%40helvede.net" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Beitrag</a> <span class="">Sat, 20 Jul 2024 03:18:39 +0200</span></span> The closest you'll ever get to making Mastodon un-quote-postable is to post privately. Not unlisted. Private. Most fediverse software will honour this today; and it doesn't require yet another "pretend permission". Like unlisted. <br><br>And Mike should know. He brought things to the Fediverse like actually working permissions. Including permissions on two levels to quote-post any content on a channel. Readily available right now at least on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte.<br><br>Also, <em>this</em> is what people on Friendica and its descendants have been using quote-posts for since 2010.<br><br><blockquote>You will be notified when someone quotes you.</blockquote><br>You already are when someone on Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) or Forte quote-posts one of your posts.<br><br>As for Pleroma, Misskey and their forks, you aren't notified right now, and I've got my doubts that you will be after this change.<br><br>Also, "quote" and "quote-post" are two different things. Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte can do both. "Quote" is what I'm doing right here. Whether or not you're notified depends on whether or not you're mentioned.<br><br>And blocking quotes is even less possible. A quote only consists of a pair of BBcode tags plus the quoted text in-between. And on Friendica and all its descendants, you don't work with a WYSIWYG editor by default, but you have to get your hands dirty on raw markup code.<br><br><blockquote>You will be able to withdraw your post from the quoted context at any time.</blockquote><br>Again, probably not if someone on Pleroma, Misskey or one of their forks quote-posts you.<br><br>And <em>definitely</em> not if someone on Friendica or one of its descendants quote-posts you.<br><br>The difference is that a quote-post on Pleroma, Misskey or one of their forks is actually a reference to the original. On Friendica and its descendants, a quote-post is an automatically generated dumb copy of the original.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pleroma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Akkoma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkeys" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkeys</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Calckey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Calckey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Firefish" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Firefish</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Iceshrimp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Iceshrimp</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CherryPick" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CherryPick</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Sharkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sharkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Catodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Catodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePosts</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTweet" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTweet</a> #<a class="" 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Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://hachyderm.io/@juancho_me" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Juancho</a> @<a href="https://mastodon.social/users/dansup" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Daniel Supernault</a> Not the only one.<br><br>Mike Macgirvin, the creator of Friendica and Hubzilla, has made a whole tree of at least (...counts...) nine forks after Hubzilla, eight of which were nomadic. Two of them still exist.<br><br>One is intentionally nameless, intentionally brandless, intentionally not a project and intentionally released into the public domain. Since the community needed to address to it by <em>something</em>, they took the name of the code repository (which <em>needed</em> a name), put parentheses around it and called it <a href="https://codeberg.org/streams/streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a>.<br><br>It's a fork (2021)<br>of a fork (Roadhouse; 2021)<br>of three forks (Osada, Mistpark 2020 a.k.a. Misty, Redmatrix 2020; 2020)<br>of a fork (Zap; 2018)<br>of maybe another fork (Osada; non-nomadic; 2018; if Zap was forked from Osada rather than directly from Hubzilla;)<br>of Hubzilla.<br><br>(streams) is reduced in features and connectivity in comparison with Hubzilla, but so were the first Osada and Zap. However, in terms of permission control and nomadicity, it's at least up-to-par with Hubzilla. In fact, it isn't quite as difficult to use as Hubzilla because permission handling has been adapted what the Fediverse of the 2020s actually requires as opposed to what a hypothetical Fediverse of the mid-2010s centred around the Red Matrix would require.<br><br>I've made a series of tables that compare Mastodon, Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams). You can find them <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/0a75de76-eb27-4149-b708-f20b2f79d392" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">here</a>.<br><br>The other still existing fork is <a href="https://codeberg.org/fortified/forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a> from August, 2024. Forte is a direct fork of (streams). It's highly experimental because all support for the Nomad protocol was removed, and it has to rely on ActivityPub for nomadic identity. Thus, it is not officially released yet, it does not have public instances, and it is not recommended as a stable, reliable daily driver yet.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://friendica.world/profile/dandylover1" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Georgiana Brummell</a> First of all, I've just noticed that you seem to not have joined the Friendica support forum yet. As far as I know, you can't post to a Friendica group/forum without fully connecting to it first.<br><br>As for the accessibility issues: To most people, it appears like Friendica has only just been made since they haven't heard of it before mid-January. But actually, Friendica is from 2010. And its frontend is largely stuck in the early 2010s, including technologically.<br><br>Friendica has always been a spare-time hobbyist project. It was mostly developed by one single man for almost two years. That guy is a protocol designer and not a frontend developer. Also, I think Friendica never had more than two regular developers, and it definitely never had any developer who really knows how to make a modern and appealing user interface. I mean, you've obviously never seen Friendica's user interface, but let me tell you that it's quite old-fashioned. It's just meant to do its job.<br><br>Hobbyist, spare-time developers of such an extremely niche piece of software who are not trained in Web UI design normally don't know a thing about accessibility. And truly, they don't care. If the UI covers all features, and the users don't have to SSH or telnet onto the Web server to use it, it's often good enough.<br><br>Friendica's regularly active user community has never been more than maybe a few thousand at a time, maybe even only a few hundred, as opposed to the over two million at which Mastodon has topped out. Thus, Friendica has never encountered blind or visually-impaired users yet.<br><br>You can see it all over the place. Alt-text is not part of Friendica's culture. Some Friendica veterans staunchly refuse to describe their media because they think alt-text is another Mastodon fad that Mastodon fundamentalists want to force upon the whole rest of the Fediverse with Mastodon's entire culture. Alt-text, to them, is like limiting your posts to 500 characters.<br><br>All this is why nobody has noticed yet that Friendica is not accessible at all.<br><br>I've got a suspicion that Friendica can only be made fully accessible by throwing the entire Web frontend away, developing an entirely new one from scratch and then also making all-new themes for it.<br><br>Also, it's only natural that TweeseCake doesn't support many of Friendica's features. As it looks to me, TweeseCake's Fediverse side is built against Mastodon and only Mastodon. If Mastodon doesn't have a feature, TweeseCake doesn't cover it either. Thus, TweeseCake probably only covers about 20% of Friendica's features because Mastodon doesn't have the other 80%.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=TweeseCake" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TweeseCake</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=A11y" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">A11y</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Accessibility" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Accessibility</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mastodon.social/@JustBobtholomew" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">JustBob</a> Discord has completely warped the term "server" for entire generations of Internet users. On Discord, "server" means "chatroom".<br><br>In the Fediverse, "server" doesn't mean "chatroom". It means "<a href="https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/what-is-server/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">server</a>". A computer.<br><br>For example, <a href="https://www.trentonsystems.com/en-us/resource-hub/blog/what-is-a-rack-server" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">a rack computer with no screen and no keyboard and no mouse bolted into a server rack at a data centre</a>.<br><br>Or <a href="https://www.xda-developers.com/turn-old-laptop-into-home-server/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">an old laptop that someone had lying around</a> or <a href="https://www.raspberrypi.com/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">a Raspberry Pi mini-computer</a> running at someone's home, connected to their landline.<br><br>On each one of these, a big or small Twitter can be running (Mastodon).<br><br>Or a wholly different Twitter (Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp, Sharkey, Catodon, Meisskey, Tanukey, Neko...).<br><br>(Here's the first important new thing for you to learn about the Fediverse: <strong>The Fediverse is not only Mastodon.</strong>)<br><br>Or a Facebook with a side of a blog and a cloud server (Friendica, (streams), Forte).<br><br>(Here's the second important new thing for you to learn about the Fediverse: <strong>The Fediverse is not only short-form microblogging.</strong> Look at this comment. Look at what I've done. Embedded links. Bold type. Impossible on Mastodon. But possible elsewhere in the Fediverse.)<br><br>Or a Facebook meets WordPress meets Google Cloud Services meets even more stuff on top (Hubzilla; this is where I am).<br><br>Or an Instagram (Pixelfed).<br><br>Or a YouTube (PeerTube).<br><br>Or a Twitch (Owncast).<br><br>Or a Reddit (Lemmy, /kbin, Mbin, PieFed).<br><br>Or a Goodreads (BookWyrm).<br><br>Or whatever. There are over 150 different server applications in the Fediverse.<br><br>mastodon.social, where you are, is only one of over 10,000 big and small Twitters of the same kind (Mastodon).<br><br>If Mastodon was like Discord, all 10,000+ Mastodon servers would run in one and the same gigantic data centre in the USA, owned by Mastodon, Inc. And they would all be property of Mastodon, Inc.<br><br>If the Fediverse was like Discord, all 30,000+ Fediverse servers would run in one and the same gigantic data centre in the USA, owned by Mastodon, Inc. And they would all be property of Mastodon, Inc. Also, they would be fully identical in functionality.<br><br>But as I've said above: They're all running on their own separate machines. With their own separate owners.<br><br>And the different server applications have different developers, and they are being developed independently from one another.<br><br>Okay, now comes the kicker: These server applications are not walled up against one another. Not only are all instances of the same server applications (e.g. Mastodon) connected to each other, but all instances of one server application are also connected to all instances of all the other server applications.<br><br>Imagine you're on Twitter. But your new friend is on Facebook. You can't follow a Facebook user on Twitter, and you can't follow a Twitter user on Facebook.<br><br>In the Fediverse, <em>you can</em>. You can be on Twitter. And follow a Facebook user. Directly from Twitter. Without a Facebook account.<br><br>Only that they aren't named Twitter and Facebook in the Fediverse. Twitter is named Mastodon or Pleroma or Akkoma or Misskey or Calckey or Firefish or Iceshrimp or Sharkey or Catodon or... There are <em>dozens</em> of Twitter alternatives in the Fediverse. Well, and Facebook is named Friendica or Hubzilla or (streams) or Forte.<br><br>You can be on Mastodon. And you can follow Friendica accounts. From Mastodon. Without a Friendica account.<br><br>This comment is a very good example. You are on <a href="https://joinmastodon.org" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a>, created by @<a href="https://mastodon.social/users/Gargron" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eugen Rochko</a> in 2016 as an alternative to Twitter that aimed to be as close to Twitter as possible.<br><br>The server that you're on, <a href="https://mastodon.social" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">mastodon.social</a>, is owned by Mastodon, Inc. and running on one or multiple rack servers in San Francisco, California, USA owned by <a href="https://fastly.com" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fastly</a>.<br><br>I am on <a href="https://hubzilla.org" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a>, created by @<a class="" href="https://fediversity.site/channel/mikedev" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mike Macgirvin 🖥️</a> in 2012 by forking his own <a href="https://friendi.ca" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> from 2010, and currently mainly maintained by @<a class="" href="https://hub.somaton.com/channel/mario" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mario Vavti</a> and @<a class="" href="https://hub.volse.no/channel/harald" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Harald Eilertsen</a>. Hubzilla has got nothing to do with Mastodon whatsoever. It started out as an alternative to Facebook, but not a clone, rather better than Facebook, with full-blown long-form blogging capability and a built-in file storage, and it has been enhanced greatly in functionality even beyond that.<br><br>The server that I'm on, <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/siteinfo" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Netzgemeinde</a>, is owned and administered by @<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/buckaroo" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mark Nowiasz</a>, who has no affiliation with the Hubzilla developers, and running on a rack server in Nuremberg, Germany owned by <a href="https://www.netcup.com/en" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Netcup</a>.<br><br>And yet, you can see this comment coming from Hubzilla on Mastodon.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" 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noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkeys" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkeys</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Calckey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Calckey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Firefish" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Firefish</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Iceshrimp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Iceshrimp</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Sharkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sharkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Catodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Catodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Meisskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Meisskey</a> #<a class="" 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noreferrer" target="_blank">Pixelfed</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=PeerTube" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PeerTube</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Owncast" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Owncast</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Lemmy" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Lemmy</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%2Fkbin" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">/kbin</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mbin" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mbin</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=PieFed" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PieFed</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=BookWyrm" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">BookWyrm</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NotOnlyMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NotOnlyMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseIsNotMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseIsNotMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MastodonIsNotTheFediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MastodonIsNotTheFediverse</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://caneandable.social/@DavidNason" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">David Nason</a> Pixelfed is wholly separate software from Mastodon on wholly separate servers with wholly separate owners. So yes, you need a separate Pixelfed account. It's a bit easier on Pixelfed if you're already on Mastodon: Pixelfed lets you automatically create a new user account by "logging in" with your Mastodon login credentials. But only Pixelfed has this as far as I know.<br><br>Loops is wholly separate again, but there's only one instance so far because it's too unfinished to even be open-source. So you'll need a Loops account next to your Mastodon account and your Pixelfed account.<br><br>Also, you'll have different followers on Mastodon, on Pixelfed and on Loops. But what you could do if you want your followers on Mastodon to see your Pixelfed posts is: Follow your own Pixelfed account from Mastodon. And then, whenever you post something interesting on Pixelfed, wait for it to arrive on your Mastodon timeline, and then boost it.<br><br>@<a href="https://urbanists.social/@markstos" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mark Stosberg</a> There's one thing that exists already now: OpenWebAuth magic single sign-on. But it's only available on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte and partially on Friendica.<br><br>What it does is recognise your login on another instance, even on an instance of another server application. Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte recognise logins from Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte, but Friendica can't recognise logins.<br><br>However, this is only used by the permissions system. For example, someone whom I'm connected to could have made their profile only visible to a certain subset of their connections, including myself. If you visit their profile, you won't see anything. If I visit their profile, their home instance recognises my Hubzilla login, and I can see the profile.<br><br>What it does not do is give you the same full-blown rights as a user with a local account. I can't just, like, go to some (streams) instance and post away as, what, jupiter_rowland@rumbly.net or go to a Hubzilla hub where I don't have an account and create a webpage or a wiki or a CalDAV calendar right away without logging in. That's not how it works.<br><br>By the way, client-side OpenWebAuth support (= your login is recognised on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte) was proposed and actually developed to the point of a pull request for Mastodon. As far as I know, it was rejected. OpenWebAuth won't come to Mastodon.<br><br>CC: @<a href="https://social.coop/@foolishowl" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FoolishOwl</a> @<a href="https://sociale.network/@oblomov" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Oblomov</a><br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pixelfed" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pixelfed</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Loops" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Loops</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=OpenWebAuth" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">OpenWebAuth</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=SingleSignOn" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">SingleSignOn</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://wandering.shop/@kmherkes" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kem Herkes</a> From a purely technical point of view, he'll only need a Pixelfed account. You can follow Pixelfed accounts from just about everywhere in the Fediverse.<br><br>A better question would be if he'll get the reach he wants with only a Pixelfed account. One <em>could</em> argue that he'd be better off with a Mastodon account on top to advertise for his Pixelfed posts by boosting them. But one could <em>also</em> argue that this may lead to people following his Mastodon account rather than his Pixelfed account. And that it'd amount to cheating.<br><br>His advantage, however, would be that he wouldn't start out all alone in the Fediverse. I think I can expect you to follow him. You are already on Mastodon, you already have a substantial amount of followers, so I guess he could leave the "plugging" to you.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pixelfed" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pixelfed</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mastodon.social/@gispyskov" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">gispyskov</a> Maybe a dumb question: Did you mention your Mastodon counterpart on Friendica?<br><br>Friendica supports threaded conversations as enclosed objects. Anyone who has received a post also received all comments with no extra means necessary. On Mastodon, however, everyone who is intended to receive a reply must be mentioned.<br><br>If Friendica doesn't add mentions automatically, and it usually doesn't, you have to add mentions manually.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mastodon.de/@wauz" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">wauz ワウズ</a> <blockquote>Fedi isn't meant for that. It doesn't provide encryption.</blockquote><br>Mastodon doesn't. But just because Mastodon doesn't, doesn't mean it isn't available anywhere in the Fediverse.<br><br><a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> (<a href="https://hubzilla.org" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">official website</a>) and <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/(streams)" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> (<a href="https://codeberg.org/streams/streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">code repository</a>) offer groups/forums like Facebook groups. These groups can even be made private. This means:<br><br><ul><li>These groups aren't listed in directories.</li><li>You can't see the group profile unless you're a member.</li><li>You can't see what's happening in the group unless you're a member.</li><li>You can't see the members of the group unless you're a member yourself.</li><li>You can join public Hubzilla or (streams) groups from Mastodon, but you can't join private Hubzilla or (streams) groups from Mastodon, only from Hubzilla or (streams). And even then, your group membership must be manually approved.</li><li>Groups can theoretically even have various ranks of memberships with various levels of permission. So even new members may not see everything.</li><li>Conversations within private groups are hidden from everyone who isn't part of the conversation. They don't show up on federated Mastodon timelines, full stop. They're like DMs, but not necessarily with only two participants.</li></ul><br>If you <em>really</em> want to talk in private, you and your counterpart can <strong>activate encryption</strong>, exchange a common password and communicate with encryption both on the servers and during transmission. In theory, even groups/forums can activate and, if so desired, use this form of encryption.<br><br>And Hubzilla and (streams) are very much part of the Fediverse. I'm on Hubzilla right now, and you can read this on Mastodon.<br><br>CC: @<a href="https://ohai.social/@dramypsyd" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Dr. Amy, Psy.D.</a> @<a href="https://hugz.online/@Melissabeartrix" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Melissa BearTrix</a><br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mastodon.social/@eleanoreduncan" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eleanore Duncan</a> That's kind of difficult, actually.<br><br>Technically speaking, there is Friendica which was created in 2010 as a Facebook alternative (better than Facebook rather than an outright Facebook clone), and there are Hubzilla and (streams), both descendants of Friendica created by Friendica's creator. They're quite powerful, (streams) more than Friendica and Hubzilla even more than (streams), and they've got everything you need for social networking.<br><br>I've made a series of tables that compare these three with one another and with Mastodon. <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/0a75de76-eb27-4149-b708-f20b2f79d392" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">You can find them here.</a><br><br>But if you say, "app," I suppose you mean, "dedicated native mobile phone app." This is the first hindrance. Native specialised phone apps are only available for Friendica and then only for Android and Sailfish OS. The only iOS Friendica app is a closed beta; it exists, but you have to join its beta test program instead of being able to load it from the App Store easy-peasy.<br><br>Technically, you can use Friendica with some apps made for Mastodon. But you'll only have those features that Mastodon has, too. You won't see threaded conversations. You won't have text formatting. You won't have groups. You won't be able to post pictures. You won't have any access to any configuration. And so forth. You'll only have the absolute, bare-bone basics.<br><br>Otherwise, and for Hubzilla and (streams) generally, there's no way around the Web interface (browser, PWA).<br><br>As for community building, Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) not only support groups, but they have groups/forums, optionally even private ones. Organisational presentation is possible, too. All three have blogging-level support of text formatting in their posts all the way to embedding an unlimited number of images right in the middle of a post. So a group could make an introduction post with headlines and bullet-point lists and tables and pictures and all the shebang and pin it at the top for all (permitted) visitors to see. Hubzilla even supports simple webpages which could be used for presentation. <a href="https://hubzilla.org" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla's own website is a webpage on a Hubzilla channel.</a><br><br>"Easy and clear," that's the issue here. Friendica has quite a bit of a learning curve. (streams) has an even steeper learning curve. Hubzilla has the steepest learning curve of all three. None of them has the UI/UX of something created by a Silicon Valley start-up from $50,000,000 of venture capital.<br><br>Ironically, Hubzilla is the one with the best user documentation. But what I mean is not the user documentation built into the hubs, but <a href="https://help.hubzilla.hu/en/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">its complete re-write by a user</a> that's intended to be built into Hubzilla itself one day and replace the old documentation. If you want to peruse it, you'll have to be told by an experience Hubzilla user that it exists, and where you can find it. Still, Hubzilla is highly complex with quite a bit of pitfalls and the worst UX of the three.<br><br><a href="https://wiki.friendi.ca/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica has a wiki</a>, but it mostly covers how-tos for certain things instead of being a full-blown user manual.<br><br>(streams)' built-in help system is gradually being rebuilt from zero, but in the style of a technical specification again. And it's very incomplete.<br><br>Still, you will need some kind of documentation to get started with all three, ideally plus how-tos for Facebook refugees on how to get started and then do Facebook things. You can't use on either of the three what you've learned from Facebook. They do have everything you need as a Facebook refugee, but it looks different, it feels different, <em>it works differently</em>.<br><br>For example, if you're on either of the three, and you're looking for the place where you can create a new group/forum, you can look forever in vain. Unlike on Facebook, groups/forums are not an additional feature of their own. They're accounts (Friendica)/channels (Hubzilla, (streams)) like your user account/channel, but with special settings. This alone makes many Facebook users scream out that this feature is completely unuseable, simply because it isn't what they expect it to be.<br><br>In addition, if you run a Friendica group on the same node as your personal account, you have to log out and back in again to administer or moderate the group and to get gack to your account. But nobody tells you to have your group on another node than your personal account.<br><br>On Hubzilla and (streams), it's the opposite: It's better to not only have a group or forum on the same instance as your personal channel, but <em>on the same account</em>. You can have multiple channels, multiple fully separate identities on the same account because your identity is fully detached from your account. If you have your personal channel and your forum channel on the same account, you can jump back and forth between the two. But this is something that practically doesn't exist outside of Hubzilla and (streams), and so, nobody will tell you about this feature.<br><br>Even if you can wrap your mind around all this, you still aren't over the hump. Especially not on Hubzilla and (streams). On Hubzilla, you can have a restricted or private group/forum. But you have to dive into the permission settings of your forum channel, a place where you're being warned that you have to act carefully, and set the corresponding permissions accordingly by hand. On (streams), there's less to configure and no warning; instead, there are not one, but <em>four</em> types of forums. But neither the Web interface nor the documentation tells you what's what, and what does what.<br><br>Another idea, but much less like Facebook, would be <a href="https://joinmbin.org/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mbin</a>. Technically, Mbin is an alternative to Reddit and Hacker News and kind of feels like Reddit, UI-wise. But it also offers personal microblogging instead of being limited to only group discussions, and it's much more compatible with the rest of the Fediverse.<br><br>There are two caveats again. One, most Mbin users are former Redditors. This means that Mbin's culture = Reddit's culture, including, but not limited to dank maymays, shitposts all over the place and potentially also power-tripping mods (if you want to join existing Mbin magazines (= subreddits) rather than starting new ones). However, I guess that Mbin, on average, is not as hostile and xenophobic towards the rest of the Fediverse as large parts of Lemmy are.<br><br>Two, again, there's no iPhone app that works with Mbin. For Android, there's Interstellar. For iOS, there's only the Web interface.<br><br>CC: @<a href="https://climatejustice.social/@PaulaToThePeople" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PaulaToThePeople</a><br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Facebook" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FacebookAlternative" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FacebookAlternative</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FacebookGroups" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FacebookGroups</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Threadiverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Threadiverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mbin" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mbin</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://gamepad.club/@David" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">David</a> @<a href="https://mastodon.social/@gispyskov" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">gispyskov</a> If you're looking for a more advanced Facebook alternative with <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/Nomadic_identity" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">nomadic identity</a> (<a href="https://opennomad.net" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">semi-official website of the concept</a>), and if you can live without connecting to diaspora* and subscribing to RSS/Atom feeds, you may want to check out <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/(streams)" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a>, a fork of a fork (insert lots of more forks) of Friendica by Friendica's creator (<a href="https://codeberg.org/streams/streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">code repository instead of a website</a>; <a href="https://nomad.fedi-verse.hu" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">only public instance with open registration in Europe</a>).<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NomadicIdentity" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NomadicIdentity</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FacebookAlternative" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FacebookAlternative</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://climatejustice.social/@PaulaToThePeople" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PaulaToThePeople</a> A few additions:<br><br><ul><li><a href="https://fedidb.org/software" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://fedidb.org/software</a></li><li><a href="https://misskey-hub.net/en/servers/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://misskey-hub.net/en/servers/</a> (official Misskey server list; alternative to 𝕏 and Threads; <strong>caution:</strong> misskey.io is blocked by almost all western Fediverse instances)</li><li><a href="https://dir.friendica.social/servers" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://dir.friendica.social/servers</a> (official Friendica node list; alternative to Facebook)</li><li><a href="https://rumbly.net/communities?type=streams_repository" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://rumbly.net/communities?type=streams_repository</a> (known instances of a (streams) instance filtered for (streams) instances; alternative to Facebook)</li><li><a href="https://joinmbin.org/servers" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://joinmbin.org/servers</a> (official Mbin server list; alternative to Reddit and Hacker News)</li><li><a href="https://join.piefed.social/try/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://join.piefed.social/try/</a> (official PieFed instance list; alternative to Reddit and Hacker News)</li></ul><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Instances" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instances</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseInstances" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseInstances</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mbin" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mbin</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=PieFed" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PieFed</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://todon.nl/users/audunmb" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Audun</a> <blockquote>Doesn't seem like there's any active developers either.</blockquote><br>Um, <a href="https://friendi.ca/2025/01/01/friendica-2024-12-released/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica has only just released a new version less than two weeks ago</a>. It is very much still under development, and it has multiple active main developers, especially @<a href="https://social.diekershoff.de/profile/tobias" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Tobias</a>.<br><br>Oh, and @<a class="" href="https://fediversity.site/channel/mikedev" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mike Macgirvin 🖥️</a> isn't the Hubzilla main dev anymore either. In 2018, he has passed Hubzilla on to the community in the shape of @<a class="" href="https://hub.somaton.com/channel/mario" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mario Vavti</a> and @<a class="" href="https://hub.volse.no/channel/harald" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Harald Eilertsen</a> to concentrate on the advancement of Zot. He launched Osada (2018), Zap (2018), another Osada (2019), <em>yet</em> another Osada (2020), a new Mistpark (2020; that's Friendica's old name), a new Redmatrix (2020; that's Hubzilla's old name) and Roadhouse (early 2021).<br><br>His current works are <a href="https://codeberg.org/streams/streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">an intentionally nameless and brandless social networking application from October, 2021, which the community has decided to refer to as (streams) after the name of the repository</a> and <a href="https://codeberg.org/fortified/forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> still experimental Forte from August, 2024, which is the first Fediverse server application to ever rely on only ActivityPub for nomadic identity</a>.<br><br>Mike is working on both almost all alone and entirely in his spare time. He has officially "retired" from software development effective September 1st, 2024, so he has more important things to do in his spare time like tend to his land in Australia. You can't expect something from him that looks like several million dollars have been spent by a Silicon Valley corporation on the UI design. Or from anyone in the Fediverse.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Facebook" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FacebookAlternative" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FacebookAlternative</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a>
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@Carl Myrland The closest there is would be the Threadiverse: Lemmy, Mbin, PieFed. Technically all Reddit replacements. The latter two are probably even more appropriate because they've got somewhat better support for Fediverse software that isn't a Reddit clone.
You can join a Lemmy community, an Mbin magazine or a PieFed community with a Mastodon account by following it. Starting new threads is not "Mastodon 101" straight-forward because you have to take a few things into consideration (Mastodon has no real support for groups, that's why), but it's possible. And if you go over to Lemmy or Mbin or PieFed, all you see is groups, only groups and nothing but groups.
What you cannot do, however, is log onto a Lemmy, Mbin or PieFed instance with your Mastodon account and get your own personal, customisable feed. This is generally not how the Fediverse works. The only non-Mastodon place where you can "log in" with your Mastodon credentials and have a local user account automagically created with the self-same login credentials is Pixelfed.
Also, especially Lemmy is populated by 99% former Redditors. They haven't adopted Mastodon's culture just because they're in the Fediverse. Most of them barely know that Mastodon exists. Instead, Lemmy has Reddit's culture all over. Prepare for culture clashes with Mastodon users on the losing side because all mods are formerly from Reddit, too.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Threadiverse #Lemmy #Mbin #PieFed
You can join a Lemmy community, an Mbin magazine or a PieFed community with a Mastodon account by following it. Starting new threads is not "Mastodon 101" straight-forward because you have to take a few things into consideration (Mastodon has no real support for groups, that's why), but it's possible. And if you go over to Lemmy or Mbin or PieFed, all you see is groups, only groups and nothing but groups.
What you cannot do, however, is log onto a Lemmy, Mbin or PieFed instance with your Mastodon account and get your own personal, customisable feed. This is generally not how the Fediverse works. The only non-Mastodon place where you can "log in" with your Mastodon credentials and have a local user account automagically created with the self-same login credentials is Pixelfed.
Also, especially Lemmy is populated by 99% former Redditors. They haven't adopted Mastodon's culture just because they're in the Fediverse. Most of them barely know that Mastodon exists. Instead, Lemmy has Reddit's culture all over. Prepare for culture clashes with Mastodon users on the losing side because all mods are formerly from Reddit, too.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Threadiverse #Lemmy #Mbin #PieFed
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@Carl Myrland No need to create them. The Fediverse has multiple all-out, full-blown Facebook alternatives readily available already now. Not Facebook clones, but better than Facebook with features that you won't find on Facebook.
And yes, including groups on various levels of public vs private where public groups are open to the whole Fediverse including Mastodon.
All four were created by the same guy, @Mike Macgirvin
, professional software developer of about half a century, creator of multiple Fediverse protocols and almost a dozen Facebook alternatives in the Fediverse and inventor of nomadic identity.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookGroups #FacebookAlternative #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Fediverse
And yes, including groups on various levels of public vs private where public groups are open to the whole Fediverse including Mastodon.
- Friendica (official website)
Established in 2010, five and a half years before Mastodon
Federated with Mastodon since Mastodon's creation - Hubzilla (official website)
Established in 2015, ten months before Mastodon
Optionally federated with Mastodon since Mastodon's creation - (streams) (code repository)
Established in 2021
Federated with Mastodon since its own creation
- Forte (code repository)
Established in 2024
Federated with Mastodon since its own creation
All four were created by the same guy, @Mike Macgirvin
, professional software developer of about half a century, creator of multiple Fediverse protocols and almost a dozen Facebook alternatives in the Fediverse and inventor of nomadic identity.#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookGroups #FacebookAlternative #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Fediverse
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