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Jupiter Rowland
@Garry Knight @qurly(not curly)joe This, by the way, is something that next to nobody in the Fediverse knows, and that many will deny and fight with all they can:

Alt-text must never include exclusive information that is neither in the post text nor in the image itself. Such information must always go into the post itself. If you don't have room in the post, add it to a reply or multiple.

That's because not everybody can access alt-text. Certain physical disabilities can make accessing alt-text impossible, for example, if someone can't use their hands. Money quote from way down this comment thread:

Deborah schrieb den folgenden Beitrag Mon, 10 Jul 2023 23:30:45 +0200 @jupiter_rowland

I have a disability that prevents me from seeing alt text, because on almost all platforms, seeing the alt requires having a screenreader or working hands. If you post a picture, is there info that you want somebody who CAN see the picture but DOESN’T have working hands to know? Write that in visible text. If you put that in the alt, you are explicitly excluding people like me.

But you don’t have to overthink it. The description of the image itself is a simple concept.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Inclusion #A11y #Accessibility #QuotePost #QuoteTweet #QuoteToot #QuoteBoost
hub.netzgemeinde.euHow far should alt-text for pictures from within virtual worlds go?Super-long rant about accessibility, the length of alt-texts for pictures taken in virtual worlds and incompatibility issues between Mastodon and Hubzilla
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Jupiter Rowland
@sunflowerinrain @Tarnport From what I've read, a digital photograph is considered the default. So for brevity reasons, it must not be mentioned.

Any other media must be mentioned, whether it's a painting, a screenshot from a social media app, a scanned analogue photograph, a flowchart, a CAD blueprint, a 3-D rendering or whatever.

But an alt-text must never start with "Image of", "Picture of" or "Photo of". That's considered bad style and a waste of characters and screen-reading time. If the medium is not mentioned, digital photograph falls into its place as a default.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta
hub.netzgemeinde.euNetzgemeinde/Hubzilla
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Herzleid

@nikolar #Alt4You #ImageDescription
A majestic photo of a magpie atop her nest at the top of a telephone pole. The nest is made from intricately woven twigs and branches, then decorated by a lot of shiny glittering items, chains, pendants, necklaces, key chains, bracelets, something that looks like a pocket watch… It's the epitome of magpie opulence.

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semblancestudio

Exploring the impact of #StormÉowyn in the park.

The birds seemed disoriented, still finding their feet and wings the day after. Many trees fallen. 💕 to all who are feeling the impact.

#Nature #NaturePhotography #Glasgow #Scotland

#ImageDescription A Weimeraner dog gazes across a branch-covered path in Pollok park in Glasgow. Two orange construction cones cover the edge of the path, and a fallen tree blocks part of the path ahead. A black Spaniel dog looks on from nearer the viewer.

A Weimeraner dog gazes across a branch-covered path in Pollok park in Glasgow. Two orange construction cones cover the edge of the path, and a fallen tree blocks part of the path ahead. A black Spaniel dog looks on from nearer the viewer.
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Karl-Heinz Zimmer

@EugeneMcParland

Thanks for reporting this. 👍

#ID #ImageDescription:
Photo of a jet fighter pilot sitting in the cockpit in full equipment, with his helmet closed and his darkened visor concealing his face.
Text under the picture, in Ukrainian and in English: “Air Force Command of Ukraine”

Details:
kyivindependent.com/ukrainian-

The Kyiv Independent · In historic record, Ukrainian F-16 pilot downs 6 cruise missiles in single mission, Air Force claimsBy Martin Fornusek
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Stefan Bohacek

What convinced you to start adding alt text to images you post online?

· 847 people · Closed
#AltText#accessibility#ImageDescription
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Jupiter Rowland
@Robert Kingett Honest question from an alt-text and image description perfectionist to a blind user: When is it actually accessible enough that whoever posts an image doesn't have to fear repercussions?

Okay, there has to be an alt-text. It has to actually describe the image. So much is clear to me.

And I guess that while at least some blind people in the Fediverse treasure whimsy higher than accuracy, others may want alt-text to be accurate.

But it looks to me like there is a rather narrow margin between alt-text with not enough details and alt-text that's too long and/or too detailed. This isn't communicated anywhere. It's unclear, too, whether that margin is always the same, or whether it shifts with the content of the image, the context and someone's individual idea of who the audience of an image post is.

And seriously, there are images that simply cannot be described in a way that's perfectly ideal and useful for absolutely everyone out there. I've posted such images in the past, and my image descriptions must have broken all length records in the Fediverse. But I think not everyone is happy about having to read through such monsters.

CC: @Stefan Bohacek @Olivier Mehani @Alina Leonova

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta
hub.netzgemeinde.euNetzgemeinde/Hubzilla
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Jupiter Rowland
@Ciara And yet, there are people trying to talk me out of it. For example, I shouldn't transcribe text that's so tiny that it isn't even recognisable in the image as text because it's only a blob of a dozen pixels. They say that 40,000 or 60,000 characters of description and explanations for one image are too much.

The only thing I'm reconsidering myself currently is whether to keep these monster descriptions in the post or put them into external documents and link to them.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta
hub.netzgemeinde.euThe upcycling and upgrading of Clutterfly furniture continues14 more boxes of upgraded Clutterfly items released; CW: long post (almost 49,000 characters due to extremely long image descriptions, but the main post text itself is 770 characters long), eye contact (technically invisible, but present), food (berries and candy canes, technically invisible, but...
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Jupiter Rowland
@Ciara @Boab I guess there are enough signs that my image descriptions are hand-written, especially for my original virtual world renderings.

  • Alt-texts which lately keep reaching exactly 1,500 characters or only few characters short of that limit.
  • Alt-texts that also mention an even longer image description in the post. And there is an even longer image description in the post. Who asks an AI to describe an image in lots of details and then again in even more details?
  • No AI can produce image descriptions with five-digit character counts like the long one in the post.
  • Excessive detail information about an absolutely obscure niche topic in the long description.
  • Description of visual details that aren't visible at the image's resolution.
  • Transcripts of text that isn't legible or not even visible at the image's resolution.
  • Sometimes I run an extra thread with an image-describing log.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta
Mastodon.greenCiara (@CiaraNi@mastodon.green)13.2K Posts, 2.29K Following, 2.53K Followers · I post about books. I post photos I snap while wandering about. I post in English, dansk and Danglish. I mostly hang around these spaces: #Books #Audiobooks #ShortStories #Libraries #Bibliotek #Fredagsbog #SilentSunday #ClimateDiary #Aarhus Banner: Aarhus skyline and bay. Profile pic: Me, white, dark shortish hair, tallish, emerging from a tunnel, smiling, happy, wearing a bright red leopard-print dress because that’s the sort of thing a woman in her 50s can happily wear because who cares.
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Kevin Karhan :verified:

@Melissabeartrix @Tattooed_mummy I see #AltText & #ImageDescription as both a necessary work and opportunity to #DoBetter...

  • Yes it'll cost me time and slow me down #shitposting or whatever but I do also oftentimes interact with the #Fediverse on #Narrowband (cuz #EDGEland) and I'm glad I can still use it on my mobile at #throttled #2G speeds.

  • Also I do have #blind followers and I think it's important to also let them access the conversation - or at least give them the choice to do so.

#shitposting#Fediverse#narrowband
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Stefan Bohacek

I always find it fascinating to see results of polls showing people here care about alt text, eg:

- mastodon.social/@_elena/113192
- stefanbohacek.online/@stefan/1
- mastodon.scot/@bodhipaksa/1111

But then I look at results posted by @AltTextHealthCheck:

Tracked 23,523 posts across 2,726 instances.

Federated: 40% - Found 10,939 descriptions set on 27,171 images.

Local: 21% - Found 1,589 descriptions set on 7,393 images.

Hmm.

mastodon.social/@AltTextHealth

Mastodon⁂ Elena Rossini ⁂ ✏️✨📸 (@_elena@mastodon.social)Today I'm doing a deep dive into the use of #alttext on social media platforms, comparing and contrasting habits. Out of curiosity, when you publish a Fediverse post with a photo, do you use alt text? [ ] Yes [ ] No
#AltText#accessibility#ImageDescription
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