#mastodonisnotthefediverse

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Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mastodon.social/@JustBobtholomew" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">JustBob</a> Discord has completely warped the term "server" for entire generations of Internet users. On Discord, "server" means "chatroom". In the Fediverse, "server" doesn't mean "chatroom". It means "<a href="https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/what-is-server/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">server</a>". A computer. For example, <a href="https://www.trentonsystems.com/en-us/resource-hub/blog/what-is-a-rack-server" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">a rack computer with no screen and no keyboard and no mouse bolted into a server rack at a data centre</a>. Or <a href="https://www.xda-developers.com/turn-old-laptop-into-home-server/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">an old laptop that someone had lying around</a> or <a href="https://www.raspberrypi.com/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">a Raspberry Pi mini-computer</a> running at someone's home, connected to their landline. On each one of these, a big or small Twitter can be running (Mastodon). Or a wholly different Twitter (Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp, Sharkey, Catodon, Meisskey, Tanukey, Neko...). (Here's the first important new thing for you to learn about the Fediverse: The Fediverse is not only Mastodon.) Or a Facebook with a side of a blog and a cloud server (Friendica, (streams), Forte). (Here's the second important new thing for you to learn about the Fediverse: The Fediverse is not only short-form microblogging. Look at this comment. Look at what I've done. Embedded links. Bold type. Impossible on Mastodon. But possible elsewhere in the Fediverse.) Or a Facebook meets WordPress meets Google Cloud Services meets even more stuff on top (Hubzilla; this is where I am). Or an Instagram (Pixelfed). Or a YouTube (PeerTube). Or a Twitch (Owncast). Or a Reddit (Lemmy, /kbin, Mbin, PieFed). Or a Goodreads (BookWyrm). Or whatever. There are over 150 different server applications in the Fediverse. mastodon.social, where you are, is only one of over 10,000 big and small Twitters of the same kind (Mastodon). If Mastodon was like Discord, all 10,000+ Mastodon servers would run in one and the same gigantic data centre in the USA, owned by Mastodon, Inc. And they would all be property of Mastodon, Inc. If the Fediverse was like Discord, all 30,000+ Fediverse servers would run in one and the same gigantic data centre in the USA, owned by Mastodon, Inc. And they would all be property of Mastodon, Inc. Also, they would be fully identical in functionality. But as I've said above: They're all running on their own separate machines. With their own separate owners. And the different server applications have different developers, and they are being developed independently from one another. Okay, now comes the kicker: These server applications are not walled up against one another. Not only are all instances of the same server applications (e.g. Mastodon) connected to each other, but all instances of one server application are also connected to all instances of all the other server applications. Imagine you're on Twitter. But your new friend is on Facebook. You can't follow a Facebook user on Twitter, and you can't follow a Twitter user on Facebook. In the Fediverse, you can. You can be on Twitter. And follow a Facebook user. Directly from Twitter. Without a Facebook account. Only that they aren't named Twitter and Facebook in the Fediverse. Twitter is named Mastodon or Pleroma or Akkoma or Misskey or Calckey or Firefish or Iceshrimp or Sharkey or Catodon or... There are dozens of Twitter alternatives in the Fediverse. Well, and Facebook is named Friendica or Hubzilla or (streams) or Forte. You can be on Mastodon. And you can follow Friendica accounts. From Mastodon. Without a Friendica account. This comment is a very good example. You are on <a href="https://joinmastodon.org" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a>, created by @<a href="https://mastodon.social/users/Gargron" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eugen Rochko</a> in 2016 as an alternative to Twitter that aimed to be as close to Twitter as possible. The server that you're on, <a href="https://mastodon.social" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">mastodon.social</a>, is owned by Mastodon, Inc. and running on one or multiple rack servers in San Francisco, California, USA owned by <a href="https://fastly.com" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fastly</a>. I am on <a href="https://hubzilla.org" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a>, created by @<a class="" href="https://fediversity.site/channel/mikedev" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mike Macgirvin 🖥️</a> in 2012 by forking his own <a href="https://friendi.ca" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> from 2010, and currently mainly maintained by @<a class="" href="https://hub.somaton.com/channel/mario" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mario Vavti</a> and @<a class="" href="https://hub.volse.no/channel/harald" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Harald Eilertsen</a>. Hubzilla has got nothing to do with Mastodon whatsoever. It started out as an alternative to Facebook, but not a clone, rather better than Facebook, with full-blown long-form blogging capability and a built-in file storage, and it has been enhanced greatly in functionality even beyond that. The server that I'm on, <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/siteinfo" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Netzgemeinde</a>, is owned and administered by @<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/buckaroo" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mark Nowiasz</a>, who has no affiliation with the Hubzilla developers, and running on a rack server in Nuremberg, Germany owned by <a href="https://www.netcup.com/en" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Netcup</a>. And yet, you can see this comment coming from Hubzilla on Mastodon. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Server" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Server</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Instance" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instance</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pleroma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Akkoma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkeys" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkeys</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Calckey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Calckey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Firefish" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Firefish</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Iceshrimp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Iceshrimp</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Sharkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sharkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Catodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Catodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Meisskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Meisskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Tanukey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Tanukey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Neko" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Neko</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pixelfed" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pixelfed</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=PeerTube" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PeerTube</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Owncast" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Owncast</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Lemmy" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Lemmy</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%2Fkbin" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">/kbin</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mbin" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mbin</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=PieFed" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PieFed</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=BookWyrm" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">BookWyrm</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NotOnlyMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NotOnlyMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseIsNotMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseIsNotMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MastodonIsNotTheFediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MastodonIsNotTheFediverse</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://flipboard.social/@mike" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mike McCue</a> What are the chances that the ActivityPub side will get full (or any) support for Pleroma and its forks, Misskey and its forks, Friendica and other things that use the Mastodon client API? Or even server applications that can speak ActivityPub, but that don't have the Mastodon client API implemented? I sincerely hope that Surf isn't built against only Mastodon so hard that it's impossible to add more than just incidental and unsupported compatibility with anything that isn't Mastodon. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ActivityPub" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ActivityPub</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NotOnlyMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NotOnlyMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseIsNotMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseIsNotMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MastodonIsNotTheFediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MastodonIsNotTheFediverse</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://c.im/@ringwoodunitarians" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ringwood Unitarians Co-organis</a> <blockquote>But there are loads of pictures out there if one searches. Three attached.</blockquote> If one searches. If one wants to search. If one suspects there to be something else out there in the Fediverse. But for many Mastodon users, the Fediverse is Mastodon and only Mastodon, and that's an absolutely undeniable fact. Set in stone. It couldn't possibly be any different. They don't even take into consideration that it could be any different. "Fediverse" is the name of the Mastodon network which is nothing but Mastodon and more Mastodon. Full stop. Why else do so many Mastodon users use "Fediverse" and "Mastodon" mutually exchangeably or even out-right claim that the Fediverse is only Mastodon with such utter confidence? Why else does the revelation that something that isn't Mastodon is connected to Mastodon and claims its place in the Fediverse leave so many Mastodon users deranged enough to generously dish out mutes and blocks in an attempt to make the Fediverse only Mastodon again, or at least make it feel like it's still only Mastodon? #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NotOnlyMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NotOnlyMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseIsNotMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseIsNotMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MastodonIsNotTheFediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MastodonIsNotTheFediverse</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://jasdemi.com/@jasdemi" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jasdemi 🎮</a> @<a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/users/strypey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Strypey</a> As those two threads about the Bridgy Fed Bluesky bridge showed, a lot of Mastodon users are still completely unaware of the Fediverse being more than just Mastodon. I'm convinced that there are actually people on Mastodon who would fight tooth and nail, fight dirty if they deem it necessary, to make sure that the Fediverse stays only Mastodon and nothing else. Little do they know that the Fediverse has never been only Mastodon. And I guess it won't be long until the first Mastodon users demand Rochko include a way to lock everything that isn't Mastodon out of Mastodon accounts as well as out of entire Mastodon instances. Some may even ask for this becoming the default or not even optional in the first place. And Rochko will be torn between finally making "the Fediverse" only Mastodon and not appearing to be too openly hostile towards the other projects. I mean, let's face it: While some Mastodon users find the discovery of non-Mastodon stuff in the Fediverse intriguing, there may be even more who find these alleged "intruders" so appalling that they shit their pants with bricks upon the revelation. And if it isn't the revelation that disturbs them, it's the way absolutely everything that isn't Mastodon behaves nothing like Mastodon, from shamelessly exceeding 500 characters in posts to text formatting to quote-posts to no CWs. Any of these have probably been reason enough for Mastodon users to block non-Mastodon users upon first strike. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NotOnlyMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NotOnlyMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseIsNotMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseIsNotMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MastodonIsNotTheFediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MastodonIsNotTheFediverse</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://ma.fellr.net/@fell" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Felix Urbasik</a> @<a href="https://mastodon.social/@trunksapp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">trunks (Android, iOS & Web)</a> Especially since not the entire Fediverse works like Mastodon. On Mastodon, you only receive posts from those whom you follow and posts which mention you unless you turn the latter off. But I'm not on Mastodon. I'm on Hubzilla which has nothing in common with Mastodon technologically, which is ten months older than Mastodon, having been developed since almost six years before Mastodon, and which has been federated with Mastodon continuously since Mastodon was launched. I received your post, @<a href="https://ma.fellr.net/@fell" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Felix Urbasik</a>, because it was boosted by @<a href="https://mastodon.social/@fediversereport" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse Report</a>. But I received your comment on your own post as well as your comment, @<a href="https://mastodon.social/@trunksapp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">trunks (Android, iOS & Web)</a>, because Hubzilla sends me all replies to each post that has ever appeared in my channel stream (= personal timeline).. Neither of you mentioned me. I don't follow either of you. And yet, I received both of your comments. After a post has shown up in my channel stream, regardless of where it comes from, I receive all comments that are made on that post afterwards. This is perfectly normal, intentional, by design, hard-coded and a behaviour that pre-dates Mastodon in the Fediverse by almost six years. Friendica behaves the same, and so does (streams), the only one of the three that isn't older than Mastodon. Thus, replying to someone who isn't a mutual connection is perfectly normal on all three, too, and part of their culture, and it has always been. This has nothing to do with entitlement. From my point of view, these options introduced to Trunks are similar to the oft-requested option for Mastodon to hide all posts with over 500 characters. But if it's toxic if Friendica or Hubzilla or (streams) users do what at least the users of the former two have been doing since days before Mastodon, then these instance types, these very server applications are inherently toxic not only by culture, but also by technology. And their very developers are toxic because they refuse to make them more like Mastodon. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Trunks" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Trunks</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=TrunksApp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TrunksApp</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NotOnlyMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NotOnlyMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseIsNotMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseIsNotMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MastodonIsNotTheFediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MastodonIsNotTheFediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ReplyGating" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ReplyGating</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://lgbtqia.space/@alice" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">🅰🅻🅸🅲🅴</a> Okay, here's a bit more. And I'm trying to write this from a Mastodon point of view, but as someone who has got experience outside of Mastodon. If you're on Mastodon which you probably are, get used to the lingo. <ul><li>(Twitter) tweet = (Mastodon) toot or post </li><li>(Twitter) retweet = (Mastodon) boost </li><li>(Twitter) like = (Mastodon) fave</li></ul> This may come as a surprise, but the Fediverse is not only Mastodon. There are many other projects in the Fediverse which are connected to Mastodon. Some of them have actually already been around before Mastodon. And they have features that Mastodon doesn't have. So don't freak out if you see a post with over 500 characters. Or with italics. Or with bold type. Or with a <code>code block</code>. Or using the content warning for a summary. Or with a quote. Or with a "quote-tweet". Outside of Mastodon, all this is standard and perfectly normal. Get used to it. <blockquote>⚠️ Use content warnings (CW) to make browsing the #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> safer for all.</blockquote> Double your content warnings with hashtags. Some projects in the Fediverse outside of Mastodon use text filters to automatically generate individual content warnings for those who need them. And Mastodon can do that, too, so even some Mastodon users do it. If a post with content that you may deem sensitive has only got these hashtags but no actual content warning, this is not necessarily due to ill intent or neglect. Some Fediverse projects outside of Mastodon can't do content warnings the Mastodon way. Hubzilla can only do them in first posts, but not in replies. On Friendica, they're generally very difficult to do. So don't immediately call for moderation. <blockquote>🖼️ Use #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> on *all* your pictures! Visually impaired people like memes too.</blockquote> Actually describe your images in alt-text. And do only that. No hashtags in alt-text. No links in alt-text. No SEO keyword spamming in alt-text. If there's text in your picture, transcribe it in alt-text word by word. <blockquote>⛔ You can mute, block, and/or report people, depending on the severity of their actions. That said, most people here are pretty cool, so give 'em a chance unless they're being a willful ass-hat.</blockquote> Don't forget: Different instances have different rules. So don't report someone on another instance for not adding a content warning that's mandatory on your instance but not on theirs or the like. And don't forget either: Different projects have different capabilities and different cultures of using them. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fedisplaining" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fedisplaining</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFedisplaining" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFedisplaining</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MastodonIsNotTheFediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MastodonIsNotTheFediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NotOnlyMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NotOnlyMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseIsNotMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseIsNotMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hashtag</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hashtags" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hashtags</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a>

Jupiter RowlandMastodon might introduce a "proprietary", home-brew "No quote-toots allowed" flag outside the ActivityPub standard that probably won't be documented anywhere. Just like their "sensitive image" flag, but even more critical. And if that happens, all Fediverse projects that have a quote-post/quote-boost/quote-tweet/quote-toot/share feature will have to have that flag reverse-engineered from Mastodon's source code and implemented a functionality that greys out the corresponding button under "no quote-toot" posts. And all their instances will have to upgrade to a version that fully supports that flag before Mastodon rolls out that flag. Or else Mastodon will defederate all their instances for being non-compliant. This will at least affect Friendica and everything that can be traced back to it, including Hubzilla and (streams), as well as Misskey and everything that can be traced back to it, including Firefish whose development is dead and dozens upon dozens of other Forkeys. If this actually comes, and if it's enforced immediately after release with no grace period, Mastodon could just as well fully be defederated from the rest of the Fediverse due to being incompatible. It'd cause a rift between Mastodon and the non-Mastodon Fediverse anyway because the former would have a requirement for federation which the latter is incapable of fulfilling. <a href="https://mastodon.social/@Methylcobalamin" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://mastodon.social/@Methylcobalamin" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">🇺🇸 🇺🇦 🇮🇱 🐧 🥦</a> schrieb den folgenden <a href="https://mastodon.social/@Methylcobalamin/111703640036534443" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Beitrag</a> Fri, 05 Jan 2024 14:44:40 +0100 <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/QuotePosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#QuotePosts</a> are coming to <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mastodon</a>. It is on the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/RoadMap" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#RoadMap</a> of <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/features" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#features</a> to implement. Here is a <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/FeatureRequest" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FeatureRequest</a> to opt out of quote posts. Please vote: <a href="https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/25735" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/25735</a> Here is an interesting article about research on quote posts or <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/QuoteTweets" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#QuoteTweets</a> <a href="https://absolutelymaybe.plos.org/2023/01/12/quote-tweeting-over-30-studies-dispel-some-myths/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://absolutelymaybe.plos.org/2023/01/12/quote-tweeting-over-30-studies-dispel-some-myths/</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MastodonIsNotTheFediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MastodonIsNotTheFediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NotOnlyMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NotOnlyMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePosts</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTweet" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTweet</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTweets" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTweets</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteToot" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteToot</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteToots" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteToots</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotedShares" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotedShares</a>

Jupiter Rowlandtl;dr: Hubzilla has had at least some of this for over a decade now. And it won't replace any of it with a new standard tailor-made for Mastodon. @<a href="https://mitra.social/users/silverpill" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">silverpill</a> If you look past projects based on ActivityPub and at projects that have ActivityPub as an additional protocol, some of this already exists. <blockquote>- Data portability. In my opinion, this is the most important problem. I'm in favor of <a href="https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/ef61/fep-ef61.md" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FEP-ef61</a>, which also solves identity portability and unlocks many new features.</blockquote> Exists in the shape of nomadic identity. Invented by @<a class="" href="https://fediversity.site/channel/mikedev" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mike Macgirvin 🖥️</a> in 2011 with his Zot protocol and first deplayed in 2012 with the Red Matrix, nowadays known as <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_Hubzilla%3F" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a>. Also available on <a href="https://codeberg.org/streams/streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a>, Mike's current project at the end of a string of forks from Hubzilla, now based on the Nomad protocol. Mike would like to see nomadic identity and other special features of the Zot and Nomad protocols included in the ActivityPub protocol. He has actually submitted a number of proposals for this. They were all rejected. Even though he is a protocol developer first and foremost, and he has both created and worked on more Fediverse protocols than anyone else, so he should be considered competent. Nomadic identity with ActivityPub won't come unless either Evan Prodromou and the W3C commission cave in and allow Mike's suggestions, or someone re-invents the wheel from scratch in a way that's utterly incompatible to Hubzilla and (streams). And it won't come to Mastodon unless Eugen Rochko can imply that Mastodon has had it first. And there will never be a nomadic identity standard that meets Mike's requirements as well as Eugen's wishes. <blockquote>- End-to-end encryption. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messaging_Layer_Security" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MLS</a> has become a standard, and it would be wise to adopt it. <a href="https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fediverse-ideas/issues/3" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Issue 3 at fediverse-ideas</a> provides a good overview of what we have at the moment (not much). Some variation of <a href="https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/ae97/fep-ae97.md" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FEP-ae97</a> is likely needed to make end-to-end encryption work.</blockquote> AFAIK, all three of Mike's still existing projects, <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_Friendica%3F" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> from 2010, Hubzilla from 2012/2015 and (streams) from 2021, have it. Optionally, but still. I think Friendica actually advertises military-grade encryption. <blockquote>- Plugins. Something like <a href="https://docs.pleroma.social/backend/configuration/mrf/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pleroma MRF</a>, but cross-platform (e.g. Wasm-based). Also, pluggable timeline algorithms.</blockquote> Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) have had support for add-ons, including third-party add-ons, plus a number of official add-ons since their respective inceptions. If you want a cross-platform add-on standard, I hope you don't expect these three to throw their own standards over board in favour of the new standard. Otherwise, good luck developing a replacement for Pubcrawl that makes Zot-based Hubzilla compatible with ActivityPub while working on ActivityPub-based Mastodon just the same. Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) rely on add-ons for all federation beyond their respective base protocols (DFRN, Zot, Nomad). <blockquote>- Groups. We have several competing standards for groups: <a href="https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/1b12/fep-1b12.md" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FEP-1b12</a>, <a href="https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/400e/fep-400e.md" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FEP-400e</a>, Mastodon developers are working on their own standard. It would be nice to converge on a single standard, that also supports private groups.</blockquote> Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) have had support for discussion groups/forums since their respective inception. On Friendica, a group is a user account with special settings; on Hubzilla and (streams), it's a <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_are_channels_on_Hubzilla_and_(streams)%3F" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">channel</a> with special settings. In addition, especially Hubzilla and (streams) have access permission control on a level that most people for whom the Fediverse is only ActivityPub couldn't imagine in their wildest dreams. All three can be used by users from all over the Fediverse already now. Good luck forcing Friendica to give up its 13-year-old standard that's used by <a href="https://venera.social/profile/fediversenews" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse News</a>, just to name one, and Hubzilla to give up its 11-year-old standard that blows everything else but what (streams) does out of the water. Good luck forcing them to adopt something inferior. On the other hand, good luck forcing <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_Lemmy%3F" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Lemmy</a> and <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_Kbin%3F" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">/kbin</a> to switch to a wholly different standard. Don't forget that these two exist as well. And good luck having the Fediverse outside of Hubzilla and (streams) adopt both server-side and client-side OpenWebAuth. And I'm not even talking about how different Fediverse projects handle threads differently. Mastodon has a Twitter-like thread structure: many posts, tied together with mentiones. Just about everything that's built on ActivityPub has taken this over. Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) have a Facebook/blog/Tumblr-like thread structure: one post, the start post, and many comments which aren't posts. It's similar on Lemmy and /kbin which are Reddit clones, only that they don't allow thread starters to moderate their own threads. <blockquote>- Quoting. <a href="https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/e232/fep-e232.md" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FEP-e232</a> is a proposed standard, but most fediverse applications still use non-standard properties. Mastodon developers are trying to invent something completely different.</blockquote> This is something that almost the whole Fediverse has implemented, save for Mastodon. And again, Friendica has had quotes since its inception in 2010, almost six years before Mastodon was launched (which, by the way, federated with Friendica and Hubzilla on the spot). Hubzilla has had quotes since 2012, inherited from Friendica. Their way of quoting is dead-simple: BBcode. <code>[quote][/quote]</code> (streams) supports Markdown and HTML in addition to BBcode, but otherwise it's the same. Oh, and by the way: Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) have also supported quote-posts a.k.a. quote-tweets a.k.a. quote-toots a.k.a. quote-boosts from their very beginnings. <blockquote>- Markets. So far there's only <a href="https://codeberg.org/silverpill/mitra" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">one</a> server implementation capable of processing payments.</blockquote> At least two. Hubzilla has a payment add-on, too. It isn't installed on all hubs, but it's there. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFedisplaining" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFedisplaining</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MastodonIsNotTheFediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MastodonIsNotTheFediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NotOnlyMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NotOnlyMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ActivityPub" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ActivityPub</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=DFRN" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">DFRN</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Zot" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zot</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Nomad" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nomad</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Lemmy" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Lemmy</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=kbin" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">kbin</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%2Fkbin" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">/kbin</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NomadicIdentity" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NomadicIdentity</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=OpenWebAuth" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">OpenWebAuth</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Group" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Group</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Groups" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Groups</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forum" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forum</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forums" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forums</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Quote" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Quote</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Quotes" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Quotes</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Encryption" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Encryption</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=E2EE" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">E2EE</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=E2EEncryption" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">E2EEncryption</a>

Jupiter RowlandI'm tempted to add the following preamble to all my posts and comments. This would answer a lot of questions right away and maybe leave nothing unclear. <blockquote>Preamble IMPORTANT: I am not on Mastodon. I am on <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_Hubzilla%3F" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a>. Hubzilla is not a Mastodon instance. Hubzilla is a wholly different project in the <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_the_Fediverse%3F" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a>. <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_are_Fediverse_projects%3F" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Fediverse is not only Mastodon</a>. The Fediverse has never been only Mastodon. And Hubzilla is not a fork of Mastodon either. Mastodon was not even here first. The first was StatusNet from 2008 which later became <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/index.php?title=What_is_GNU_social%3F&action=edit&redlink=1" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">GNU social</a>. Then came <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_Friendica%3F" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> in 2010. And Hubzilla is from 2015 and based on a project from 2012. Mastodon was launched in 2016. It was immediately federated with all three because it spoke a language that these three spoke, too. Except for GNU social, all are still federated with one another to this day. And this is normal, legal and fully intentional. We aren't the intruders. Technically speaking, Mastodon is the intruder. Hubzilla has features that Mastodon doesn't have. Hubzilla has an unlimited character count where Mastodon has a limit of 500 characters. Hubzilla can create various ways of text formatting such as bold type, italics, code blocks, lists or headlines; Mastodon can display them now, but it can't create them. Hubzilla can embed hyperlinks; Mastodon toots only support URLs in plain sight. Hubzilla can do both quotes and "quote-tweets", and it doesn't have to resort to screenshots for either. And Hubzilla always mentions users by their full name, not by their short name like Mastodon. When Mastodon was launched with its self-imposed restrictions, Hubzilla had had all these features for almost four years already. Friendica had had the same features for almost six years already. And many of these features, including longer posts and text formatting, have been available on all other Fediverse projects since they were created. Thus, I will use features that are not available on Mastodon even though Mastodon users could read this. I will not refrain from writing over 500 characters in one post, and I will not refrain from using text formatting just because Mastodon users aren't used to that. We were here first. And we won't limit ourselves just because you're limited by the software you're using. We will continue to make use of features that you don't have. Deal with it.</blockquote> Unfortunately, the target audience of this, Mastodon users, won't read it because it's too long. Not to mention that it'd require a boatload of content warnings and filter-triggering hashtags; see below. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MastodonIsNotTheFediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MastodonIsNotTheFediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NotOnlyMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NotOnlyMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimit</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimits</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=500Characters" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">500Characters</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=TextFormatting" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TextFormatting</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Quotes" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Quotes</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTweets" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTweets</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteToots" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteToots</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPosts</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Meta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Meta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fedisplaining" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fedisplaining</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFedisplaining" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFedisplaining</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://indieweb.social/@jdp23" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jon</a> Did you seriously expect a #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> analysis to be only about #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a>? #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MastodonIsNotTheFediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MastodonIsNotTheFediverse</a>. And misskey.io is not Mastodon either; it's the biggest #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MissKey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MissKey</a> instance. @<a href="https://indieweb.social/users/tchambers" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Tim Chambers</a> It's a pity that only a bunch of instances were analysed that were important in mid-March. The graph would look different if it had taken the recent #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CalcKey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CalcKey</a> growth into consideration.

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mastodon.social/@Dricc" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Dricc</a> Not only is the #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> not only #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MastodonSocial" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MastodonSocial</a>, it isn't even only #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a>. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MastodonIsNotTheFediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MastodonIsNotTheFediverse</a>. There are actually even other microblogging projects in the Fediverse than just Mastodon, for example: <ul><li>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pleroma</a> which is 3½ weeks older than Mastodon </li><li>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Akkoma</a> which is a Pleroma fork </li><li>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MissKey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MissKey</a> which is 2 years older than Mastodon, and which is in Japan what Mastodon is in the Western world </li><li>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CalcKey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CalcKey</a> which is a MissKey fork </li><li>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FoundKey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FoundKey</a> which is another MissKey fork</li></ul> All of them are superior to Mastodon in features while requiring fewer server resources. There's even more stuff in the Fediverse. For example #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> which is 6 years older than Mastodon; it was created as a decentralised Facebook replacement. Or #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> which started its life as a fork of Friendica 4 years before Mastodon. It goes far beyond even what Friendica can do. It's more like a "decentralised social content management system" with features that'd make you dizzy, not to mention that Hubzilla introduced #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NomadicIdentity" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NomadicIdentity</a> 11 years before #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Bluesky" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Bluesky</a> claimed to have invented it. And then there are those many more specialised projects, for example: <ul><li>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pixelfed" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pixelfed</a> (similar to Instagram) </li><li>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=PeerTube" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PeerTube</a> (similar to YouTube with a side of Twitch) </li><li>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Owncast" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Owncast</a> (similar to Twitch) </li><li>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Funkwhale" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Funkwhale</a> which you've already mentioned (similar to SoundCloud/Bandcamp etc.) </li><li>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Castopod" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Castopod</a> (ditto, but for podcasts) </li><li>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Lemmy" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Lemmy</a> and #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=kbin" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">kbin</a> (similar to Reddit and Hacker News) </li><li>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=WriteFreely" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">WriteFreely</a> and #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Plume" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Plume</a> (similar to Medium) </li><li>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mobilizon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mobilizon</a> (similar to Doodle) </li><li>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=BookWyrm" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">BookWyrm</a> (similar to Goodreads)</li></ul> And the best is: "Fediverse" means that all this connects to all this. You can connect to pretty much each of these like to another Mastodon account, and you can read posts from all over the Fediverse on Mastodon. For example, I'm on Hubzilla, but you can read my post on Mastodon. This is the spirit of the Fediverse.

Maria Karlsen There seems to be some confusion about what the Fediverse is. Much of it seems to be from people who have never been told that the Fediverse is a multitude of different networks that are connected (over ActivityPub). Some are old, some are new, and what features they have also varies between them. If there is a problem with Hubzilla, it's not "because that's how the Fediverse works". If there is a problem with Friendica, it's not "because that's how the Fediverse works". If here is a problem with Calckey, it's not "because that's how the Fediverse works". If there is a problem with Akkoma, it's not "because that's how the Fediverse works". And if there is a problem with Mastodon, it's certainly not "because that's how the Fediverse works". I would like everybody to be aware that there are so many different flavours out there. And I think that's beautiful. Pick something that's suitable for your needs, something you like, something that you are comfortable with. (You may pick more than one!) And have a lovely day! #<a class="" href="https://zotum.net/search?tag=fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://zotum.net/search?tag=newhere" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">newhere</a> #<a class="" href="https://zotum.net/search?tag=MastodonIsNotTheFediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MastodonIsNotTheFediverse</a>

Maria KarlsenThanks to @<a href="https://hoosier.social/@KrissyKat" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">KrissyKat 🏳️‍⚧️</a> (A comment to <a href="https://mstdn.social/@feditips/110260432218416976" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this post</a>) <a href="https://c.im/@youronlyone" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://c.im/@youronlyone" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">♾️ ᜌᜓᜃᜒ (Yuki 스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣</a> wrote the following <a href="https://c.im/@youronlyone/110262284355342714" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">post</a> Wed, 26 Apr 2023 02:28:58 +0200 <a href="https://mstdn.social/@feditips" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@feditips</a> Hence, we should <a href="https://c.im/tags/SpreadFediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SpreadFediverse</a> and constantly inform everyone that there is a world out there. But how can we make people explore the fediverse when: 1. People falsely assume that <a href="https://c.im/tags/Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mastodon</a> is the <a href="https://c.im/tags/Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fediverse</a> / <a href="https://c.im/tags/ActivityPub" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ActivityPub</a>. That's like saying <a href="https://c.im/tags/China" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#China</a> is <a href="https://c.im/tags/Asia" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Asia</a>. 2. When something is lacking in Mastodon, people assume it is the Fediverse / ActivityPub that is lacking. That is like saying chicken is the worst food because you've tasted McDonald's chicken, when there <a href="https://c.im/tags/Jollibee" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Jollibee</a>'s <a href="https://c.im/tags/ChickenJoy" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ChickenJoy</a> is tastier and juicier. There are now even people who praise a non-fediverse network based on those false assumptions above. They have time to research a non-fediverse network, but doesn't have the time to do their due diligence about the Fediverse; all because they falsely assumed they've seen everything. It's like moving to a new country, settling in a new home, exploring their new neighbourhood, and then assumed that village they're in is a representation of the entire country. If we can make people see, and make people explore their own “city” and “country”, then maybe, just maybe, the distribution of people in the fediverse will start to balance between the different forks, projects, and instances. It won't happen overnight, but maybe we can plant the seeds. #<a class="" href="https://zotum.net/search?tag=MastodonIsNotTheFediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MastodonIsNotTheFediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://zotum.net/search?tag=resilience" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">resilience</a> #<a class="" href="https://zotum.net/search?tag=TheSocialWeb" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TheSocialWeb</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a class="" href="https://sfba.social/@brennansv" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Brennan Stehling</a> <blockquote>Let’s hope Mastodon is a gateway to more decentralized apps thriving.</blockquote> We can hope, but I've still got my doubts. Most of the time, only #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> get the limelight. Everything else is either ignored because "it doesn't matter" as it's too small in comparison with Mastodon. Or people simply don't know that the #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> is #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NotOnlyMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NotOnlyMastodon</a>. It seems like all endeavours to spread the Fediverse are about Mastodon and Mastodon only. "Mastodon" and "Fediverse" are being used synonymously and treated as the same thing more often than not. Thus, only Mastodon gets publicity, all the other Fediverse projects don't. It's getting to the point where I think there are millions of Mastodon users who want the Fediverse to only be Mastodon. @<a class="" href="https://mk.absturztau.be/@zakiuem" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ahri Boy 💙💛:blobhajtransprideheart:</a> @<a class="" href="https://mastodon.social/@atomicpoet" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Chris Trottier</a> @<a class="" href="https://venera.social/profile/fediversenews" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse News</a> @<a class="" href="https://venera.social/profile/spreadmastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spread Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MastodonIsNotTheFediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MastodonIsNotTheFediverse</a>

Jupiter RowlandFunny how, in spite of the rising number of likes, many people seem to misunderstand what I've written. Here's a short explanation. People: We want bold type and italics and stuff in the Fediverse! And quote-tweets! And more than 500 characters! Please, #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a>, include it! Me: Join #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Akkoma</a> (#^<a class="" href="https://akkoma.social/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://akkoma.social/</a>), and you've got your bold type and italics and quote-tweets and thousands of characters! And you can still talk to people on Mastodon! Easy as that. Or if you don't like Akkoma, try #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pleroma</a> (#^<a class="" href="https://pleroma.social/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://pleroma.social/</a>). Or #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MissKey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MissKey</a> (#^<a class="" href="https://misskey.page/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://misskey.page/</a>). Or #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CalcKey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CalcKey</a> (#^<a class="" href="https://calckey.cloud/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://calckey.cloud/</a>). Or #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=GoToSocial" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">GoToSocial</a> (#^<a class="" href="https://gotosocial.org/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://gotosocial.org/</a>). Or if you don't mind something bigger, #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> (#^<a class="" href="https://friendi.ca/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://friendi.ca/</a>). Or if you don't mind a hard-to-handle feature monster, #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> (#^<a class="" href="https://hubzilla.org/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://hubzilla.org/</a>). And all of them let you stay in contact with your friends on Mastodon. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MastodonIsNotTheFediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MastodonIsNotTheFediverse</a>. Nor is Mastodon the best the #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> has to offer.

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