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Got Root :hispagatos: # :idle:Hello <a href="https://hispagatos.space/tags/hackers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#hackers</a> <a href="https://hispagatos.space/tags/tinkerers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#tinkerers</a> <a href="https://hispagatos.space/tags/explorers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#explorers</a> <a href="https://hispagatos.space/tags/minimalist" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#minimalist</a> <a href="https://hispagatos.space/tags/oldschoolers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#oldschoolers</a> etc there are now <a href="https://hispagatos.space/tags/usenet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#usenet</a> talks about a new newsgroup for the <a href="https://hispagatos.space/tags/rust" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#rust</a> <a href="https://hispagatos.space/tags/rustlang" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#rustlang</a> programming language, you can participate in the <a href="https://hispagatos.space/tags/big" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#big</a>-8 <a href="https://hispagatos.space/tags/big8" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#big8</a> decision making in the <a href="https://hispagatos.space/tags/newsgroup" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#newsgroup</a> news.groups.proposals the thread is under comp.lang.rust the big-8 approved an official <a href="https://hispagatos.space/tags/go" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#go</a> lang newsgroup last year or so, among all the old newsgroups cleaning and spam blocking this is another sympton of the revamping of usenet 2.0 <a href="https://news.novabbs.org/usenet/article-flat.php?id=393&group=news.groups.proposals#393" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://news.novabbs.org/usenet/article-flat.php?id=393&group=news.groups.proposals#393</a>

OCTADELINKS Site: Cryptography project site. (<a href="https://octade.net" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://octade.net)</a> Publications: <a href="https://octade.net/publications.html" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://octade.net/publications.html</a> ORCID: <a href="https://orcid.org/0009-0009-5144-3278" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://orcid.org/0009-0009-5144-3278</a> Netnews: Find me on <a href="https://soc.octade.net?t=usenet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Usenet</a> in <a href="https://soc.octade.net?t=newsgroup" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Newsgroup</a> alt.rhubarb. Git: <a href="https://codeberg.org/OCTADE" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://codeberg.org/OCTADE</a> Keyoxide1: <a href="https://keyoxide.org/0CF7084CF97B85F2ABF97010C6663A42C56F5F0E" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://keyoxide.org/0CF7084CF97B85F2ABF97010C6663A42C56F5F0E</a> Keyoxide2: <a href="https://keyoxide.org/B9B2A8EC2C4B20D2011CFEAA07E4A7FFF6585E8F" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://keyoxide.org/B9B2A8EC2C4B20D2011CFEAA07E4A7FFF6585E8F</a> BlueSky: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/octade.bsky.social" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bsky.app/profile/octade.bsky.social</a> HackerNews: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=OCTADE" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=OCTADE</a> Internet Archive: <a href="https://archive.org/details/@buckbriar" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://archive.org/details/@buckbriar</a>

Stuffed Crocodile<a href="https://gmkeros.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/dnd-newsgroup.png" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a>Did you know there is an online forum for tabletop role-playing games that has been around since the early 80s, and which still is active and operating? Admittedly in a much diminished state than at it’s heyday.I don’t know if you ever heard the term <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Usenet </a>before, and even if you did, if you don’t just connect it with data piracy. Because that’s what it is mostly used for nowadays.What it started out as were discussion forums. Back in the late 70s, after <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ARPANET </a>had been created and email had been invented, a few programmers came up with an idea for an electronic bulletin board that could be read asynchronously. This was the time when computers still were only in big institutions like universities, big companies, and the military, and the whole idea was to create “a poor man’s ARPANET”. Connections between computers were rare and expensive , but possible. So these “news” started as a way to propagate articles and messages along servers that were not constantly connected to the internet. Some of the servers involved would only connect once a day to the network to transfer messages in and out (often at night because charges were lower then). A message might travel for multiple days before it reached all nodes in the network, and some of the earliest were messages about a nascent hobby popular among the people using this network: fantasy role-playing. From what I can see the first <a href="https://article.olduse.net/126%40Awhuxlb.UUCP" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">two messages </a>on the brand new group net.games.frp were sent out on the 12th of January 1982.To give you an idea just how early this was: it was before the abbreviation RPG became common, people were still talking about Fantasy RolePlaying instead, so even today the group-names use the abbreviation FRP. It’s quite a fascinating system that over time has become ever more complex and popular, before the ascent of html, hyperlinks, and the world wide web pushed it into the seedy corners of the ‘net. Instead of having websites, Usenet is organized in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_newsgroup" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">newsgroups</a>, and those groups are organized in hierarchies. There are the so called <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_8_(Usenet)" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Big Eight</a> that have a certain standard for group creation and posting (e.g. rec. for recreational topics, and comp. for topics concerning computers), and there are others, organized in one way or another (famously <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt.*_hierarchy" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">alt.</a> which had lower standards for the creation of new groups). Messages are sent to one or more groups (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">crossposted</a>), distributed around the network, and people respond to these posts. Interesting discussions and arguments ensue, people get angry, flame wars ensue, other people learn something new, weird in-jokes develop, stuff happens. All that can be read via archives, the biggest of which is <a href="https://groups.google.com/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google Groups,</a> which both is a boon and downfall of the service: Google purchased the old newsgroup archives of DejaNews back in the 90s, and integrated it in it’s <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Groups" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google Groups </a>service. In a picture-perfect example of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Embrace, Extend, Extinguish</a> the users of Groups had a web interface that allowed them access to their old newsgroups, access to new groups that only existed on Google, but also allowed spammers to flood the connected newsgroups with loads of unmoderated spam. Spam that recently was quoted by them as a reason to cut the connection with Usenet, bringing this phase of the network to an end. But Usenet still is running, and most likely will be running as long as there are people willing to run servers for it. But the biggest Usenet servers nowadays are piracy servers that keep the text-part of the Usenet as more of an afterthought. At one point someone came up with a way to use the text-only format of Usenet in a way to distribute data that was binary, i.e. not purely text. And this took over most of the system. But I am not really interested in that and never was. What I am interested in are the fantasy roleplaying parts of that network. rec.games.frp.*I said that the forum has been running since the late 70s, but that’s not quite correct. The original structure of Usenet grew organically from the beginning. People were creating new groups when it suited them and it seemed logical. Which soon caused some hierarchies (specifically the net. hierarchy) to swell with groups that could barely be maintained. In a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Renaming" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">great upheaval in 1987</a> all the groups were renamed and restructured. Some old hands are still angry about it and will bitch about it for days. That also is Usenet.One can argue that the fantasy roleplaying group has existed since before that time. One also could argue that it only exists since 1987. Which still is older than the World Wide Web. Usenet is divided into hierarchies, and the frp-hierarchy is part of the rec. (recreation-hierarchy) and .games. sub-hierarchy. There are currently 11 .frp. groups in that hierarchy:rec.games.frp.dndof course… it’s the hierarchy for Dungeons and Dragons. Always one of the biggest topics of the whole FRP forums this one got it’s own group.rec.games.frp.miscfor basically all other kinds of discussions about roleplaying gamesrec.games.frp.cyberfor cyberpunk systems (e.g. Cyberpunk 2020 or Shadowrun). rec.games.frp.super-heroes for superhero gamesrec.games.frp.live-actionanything LARP goes here.rec.games.frp.announce announcements and news about products go hererec.games.frp.industryfor all kinds of discussions about the rpg industryrec.games.frp.storyteller yes, this was created when the World of Darkness was big enough to demand it’s own forumrec.games.frp.gurpsFor GURPS, this part was created because while never the most popular game, it’s fans flooded the main group with so many messages about builds that it was decided to give them their own place.rec.games.frp.advocacyall kinds of discussions about roleplaying games as such and how they work. This is where the Forge came from back in the dayrec.games.frp.marketI guess this is for selling stuff. I have literally never seen a message in there.Most of these lay fallow right now, with me and a few others being the only ones posting there every once in a while. I do have to admit part of it is because I don’t want to lose the that part of ttrpg history to a random deletion request for non-use.Other TTRPG groupsThe main hierarchies are not the only ones. Most normal Usenet servers carry at least the Big Eight, but most also carry others. The big other hierarchy is alt. (…definitely not named for Anarchists, Lunatics, and Terrorists, all evidence to the contrary…), which makes it easier to create groups. This means there are a few other groups here that might be of interest, if they ever would get someone to post in them. Their structure though is not as organized as the ones in the Big 8.alt.games.frp.adnd-utilabout utilities for playing ADnD. I would say, a general groups for RPG utilities.alt.games.adndfor ADnD. I am not sure why this exists, maybe because the main one was too stodgy, or it was created because someone thought ADnD was sufficiently different than DnD to warrant it’s own groupalt.games.earthdawn for Earthdawn. Remember Earthdawn?alt.games.x-files.rpg For the X-Files RPG. Remember that?alt.games.whitewolfI guess a group for White Wolf games, which is also already covered in rec.games.frp.storytelleralt.games.tolkien.rpga group about playing in Tolkien’s Middle-EarthThere are also local and language dependent groups around. Many languages and regions have their own hierarchies for exchanges between locals and/or in other languages.uk.games.roleplaygroup for roleplaying in the UKde.rec.spiele.rpg.miscgeneral group for discussions of RPGs in German z-netz.freizeit.rollenspiele.dsa originally this was an Echo in a mailbox network, by now z-netz. is a small alternative German Usenet hierarchy. This particular one about Das Schwarze Auge/The Dark Eyepl.rec.gry.rpgPolish-language group es.rec.juegos.rolSpanish-language groupse.spel.rollspelSwedish-language groupdk.fritid.rollespilDanish-language group fr.rec.jeux.jdfFrench-language groupit.hobby.giochi.gdrItalian-language grouphr.rec.igre.rpgHungarian-language groupaus.games.roleplayAustralian groupThere are more, some of which I might not even find that easy because they are not on the servers I frequent (not all servers carry all groups) or are so specialized they might not be of interest to anyone but locals (e.g. saar.rec.rollenspiele exists, but I doubt many people in Saarland (the smallest of Germany’s federal states) still know Usenet exists)Ok, ok, but how do you actually ACCESS this Usenet thingy?That’s a bit more difficult, but not much. It used to be ISPs were all running their own news servers, this was actually the REASON you might want internet access as a private person, but that isn’t the case anymore. Google Groups is also going away, so that’s not a real option.An easy way to check out what is being talked about on the FRP-hierarchy is <a href="https://campaignwiki.org/news" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">campaignwiki.org/news.</a> This server makes it possible to read and post on his own small server via a web-interface. The server is only running roleplaying-related groups, including the global FRP-hierarchy, and a few local ones that do not get carried in many other places.Another way to access it via web browser is via web gateways. There are a few around, e.g. <a href="https://www.novabbs.com/interests/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NovaBBS</a>. There are a few of those around, but they might not carry all the groups (NovaBBS e.g. only <a href="https://www.novabbs.com/interests/thread.php?group=rec.games.frp.dnd" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">rec.games.frp.dnd</a> and<a href="https://www.novabbs.com/interests/thread.php?group=rec.games.frp.misc" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> .misc</a>, because those are the ones with most activity).The proper way to use it is of course by getting an account on a news server and adding it to your feed reader of choice. True hardcore users use terminal-based readers like <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_(newsreader)" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">tin </a>or <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnus" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Gnus</a>, but many Email programs like <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Thunderbird" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mozilla Thunderbird</a> <a href="https://kb.iu.edu/d/arrn" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">allow you to subscribe to newsgroups</a>.<a href="https://gmkeros.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/thunderbird.png" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a>But where do you get a news server? Well, there are multiple free options (these are all technically text-only, although a few have some basic binary groups that allow pictures):c<a href="http://campaignwiki.org/news" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ampaignwiki.org/news</a>(Switzerland) very small server, focused on ttrpg groups, also has simple web-portal<a href="https://www.eternal-september.org/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eternal September</a>(Germany) popular free access server with wide range of groups<a href="https://www.i2pn2.org/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">I2PN2</a>simple text server<a href="https://news.novabbs.org/rocksolid/index.php" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NovaBBS</a>text server, as mentioned above also has web-portal<a href="https://solani.org/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Solani</a>(Germany) server<a href="https://dotsrc.org/usenet/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">dotsrc</a>(Denmark) focused on Danish users<a href="http://www.news.bbs.nz/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Agency News</a>(New Zealand) server<a href="http://news.chmurka.net/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Chmurka</a>(Poland) basic server focused on Polish users<a href="http://csiph.com/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CSIPH</a>basic server<a href="http://open-news-network.org/node/5" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Open News Network</a>(Germany) focused on German users<a href="https://news.gegeweb.org/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Gegeweb</a>(France) focused on French users<a href="https://news.hispagatos.org/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hispagatos</a>(Spain) focused on Spanish users<a href="https://pasdenom.info/news.html" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pasdenom</a>(France) focused on French users<a href="https://news.nntp4.net/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NNTP4</a>(Germany) basic serverMost of these have instructions on how to connect on their websites. Note: This is a redo of an <a href="https://gmkeros.wordpress.com/2012/09/15/tools-how-to-use-usenet-a-biased-introduction/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">article I wrote 13 years ago</a>. Originally I thought I could just let that one stand like that, but just briefly reading through it I noticed things had changed dramatically in some areas. So I rewrote the whole thing from scratch. 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