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The Kratky Hydroponic Lettuce Wall will be comprised of a couple of things:

1) A utility shelf with adjustable shelving
2) Full spectrum LED "grow" light strips w/ timer
3) Grow bins

That's it.

The utility shelf can be broken down into the following requirements:
- DANGER!!! WARNING!!! IMPORTANT!!!: The shelves should be able to actually hold the weight of your grow bins. Water is heavy. Many shelves by themselves cannot support the weight of the water and will need support. So check the weight rating on the shelves you get. We'll continue to talk about this further as we built out the shelf.
- ANOTHER DANGER!!! WARNING!!! IMPORTANT!!!: You need a way to anchor your shelves to the wall SECURELY!!! You don't want this thing tipping over. You build it too high and it falls on your kid or dog or cat and they may die. Secure this to your wall. Especially the higher you build it.
- Shelves need to be adjustable to allow enough space for the bin to sit and for the plant to grow
- A way to attach the light strips to the shelf above the grow bin
- Bonus: Make it pretty

The Grow Light Strips can be broken into the following requirements:
- They should fit the length of the shelf you pick and be attachable to it in some way
- You should be able to control them with a timer (either on the light itself or set up with a wall socket timer
- Have a method of increasing the light or decreasing the light (easily add more light strips if needed, or adjust brightness, etc)
- Be full spectrum "grow" light. Note: it does not have to SAY grow light. Sometimes lights are like cakes. A regular white cake is cheap. Add the name "Wedding" to that same cake and it gets expensive. As long as the LED light strip generates enough light for a plant to eat, we're good.

The grow bins can be broken down into the following requirements:
- They should hold water.
- They should be fully opaque and not allow any light into the bin itself.
- They should hold some sort of grow medium to allow a plant to grow on top and provide access to the roots to get into the bin to access the nutrient water
- Bonus: Make them pretty

That's it.

No pumps.
No aerators.
No central reservoir.

Just a place to put a kratky bin and grow lettuce.

We'll tackle how to size and shop for a utility shelf next.

#solarPunk
#indoorGardening
#verticalFarming
#hydroponics
#kratky
#kratkyMethod
#vegetableGardening
#gardening
#postScarcity
#foodSecurity

Oh shit. Gonna build a lettuce wall.

Can't stop. Won't stop.

Design Goals
- Low effort / passive / automated (After initial build, only requires 30 mins of work a week to maintain)
- "Inexpensive" (measured in how quickly it pays for itself compared to shopping at grocery store)
- Small footprint for indoor spaces (uses vertical space as opposed to horizontal space)
- ADHD friendly (you dont have to keep monitoring it. Set and forget)
- Provides entire personal need of leafy greens in continuous fashion
- Provides excess of personal needs in order to continuously share freely with neighbors

(Follow this thread in the coming months to watch the buildout. I'll post design theory and application along. It'll be vendor/brand agnostic. And I'll post up methods to tailor it to your space.)

(Photo below of prototype. It works! Time to scale it.)

The "profit motive" is such a boring motive.

(Note: Don't confuse the "profit motive" with a "survival motive" - In capitalism and corporatism, workers have to earn money just to survive. That's not what I'm talking about here.)

Making money, just for money's sake is stupid.

Further, the "bottom line" of corporate oligarchy puts raw numbers over anything else:

- It does not account for the tertiary non-capital costs such as destroying our lived-in spaces, local environment, and global environment. It destroys people's privacy and well being.

- It encourages built-in/planned obsolescence and disposable, single-use (or short lifespan use) consuming. If a thing has quality, it will be bought less. If a thing breaks down or cant be repaired, folks will continue to buy new ones.

We could have nice things.

We could have high quality things, built to last, built to be repaired, built to be efficient.

We could have pretty things. Things that bring us rest and joy and healing.

If we take care of the things that we need to survive... If we can bring about post-scarcity food, water, shelter, healthcare, and energy...

We could ignore the profit motive.

We could make capitalism obsolete.

We could move beyond survival and into thriving.

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Massive Update on the Food Rescue front!!!

We worked out the contract issues with Food Rescue US (FRUS - foodrescue.us)and we just signed the contract!

We can now begin the rescue efforts in earnest!!!

This is MASSIVE!!!

This initiative started last November,, and while it's had a couple of obstacles, five months from conception to group formation to joining with a national org isn't that long.

We're also going to be joining Food Rescue Alliance (FRA - boulderfoodrescue.org/food-res). They're a US based national "mutual aid of mutual aids" sort of thing. So we can join other food rescue groups and learn from each other.

I'd like to see if there's a state group to join as well. If not, I'd like to start one up. A lot of laws and regulations are state based and learning from other groups in our state would be amazing.

Soooo!!!!

Expect some more updates in the coming weeks.

I'm so excited!!!!

Food Rescue US volunteers pose with boxes of produce in Washington, DC
Food Rescue US · Home | Food Rescue USFood Rescue US engages volunteers to transfer fresh food surpluses from local businesses to social service agencies serving the food insecure
https://youtu.be/0W2jEedynbc?si=0pN2VkRkgXDhvgYT

I’m not educated enough to speak on this more than just some questions. 17 minutes into the interview with @d7f3a2d8 and @5e313964 it seems that Luke’s solution to capitalisms problems is communistic, socialistic, and even Fascist doctrines? Commodity price controls, yield controls, interest controls, and even funding for trade schools.
Im not speaking against any of these solutions, but how can we condemn some things while promoting capitalism; then turn around to say we need the other “isms” to fix the greed of capitalism? It really is privatizing profits, socializing the losses.
Help? @eab0e756 @83e818df @58c741aa

#bitcoin #proofofwork #postscarcity #capitalism
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While waiting for the paperwork to go through for that national food rescue org, I'm still going to do food rescue manually.

Another donut haul! I dont know how many donuts. Lost count.

Anyhow. had to find space in the free fridge for it. Folks had added even more fresh veggies and bread and salads, so I had to get creative making room for my deserts. 😅

Edit: Ignore the lighting in the fridge. It was night time and I used a flash. Makes things weird colors. Anyhoo.

The following link can change your world view.

Seriously, you need to read the linked post. If you worry that someone will take advantage of the system or get what they don't deserve, and that makes you angry, read the post for a dose of plain civilized thinking.

#economics #food #prosperity #basicincome #postscarcity #mutualaid

Hat tip to @floofpaldi
cc: @raccoon @tinker

infosec.exchange/@tinker/11376

Infosec ExchangeTinker ☀️ (@tinker@infosec.exchange)Trash Panda (@raccoon@hollow.raccoon.quest) asks a great question regarding "Free Fridges" and Post-Scarcity Mutual Aid Food Distribution: Original Question and Thread: https://hollow.raccoon.quest/notes/a2jvqqajuvif0aog Question: "A thing that would worry me is people taking advantage of this and taking a shitload of food without needing it. Like, people who could just afford buying it, you know? Does it ever happen?" Awesome question! And it has a couple of answers or way to approach it. I'll try to answer it in those couple of ways. Answer 1) Let them. Let them take as much as they want or need. We'll just produce more. We have the means. - There is often a worry of people "abusing" a system. This is a SCARCITY mindset. It worries that there's not enough to go around, so folks will abuse it and take from others.... BUUUUUT.... there IS enough to go around... you can take what you need, heck take more than you need, and it will be fine. We. Have. Enough. Answer 2) Let's actually threat model this out. Like... Is this really a problem? If so... who would do it. So the short answer is, it's not really a problem in practice. There are many free fridges already going. No one really "abuses" (in any meaningful definition of the word) the system. So it's not a hypothetical. We can just look at what's actually happening. And it's not a concern. Long Answer: When you grow up in scarcity and first encounter post-scarcity, it is NORMAL to hoard things. Let me say that again. It is NORMAL for people to take what they need NOW and then take more for what they think they will need LATER for security and even add a buffer on top of that JUST TO BE SURE!!! Cool. Let them. After a while, they realize that they TOO are not consuming all they have and they start to FEED BACK INTO the post-scarcity input / output. This is called healing. Artificial Scarcity (read Capitalism) hurts people. Post-Scarcity Mutual Aid heals people. If part of that process is them using the post-scarcity system a lot until they heal and get used to having enough... then it's chill. Let them "abuse" it. It'll be fine. Answer 3) If we give into this fear, we produce the result of the fear without the fear itself ever needing to be realized. To put it another way, if we worry people will abuse it and there won't be enough food for others, and we don't do it out of that fear... then..... there DEFINITELY isn't food for others. Lol! Out of a fear that the prophesy will come true, we have ensured that it came true. So... like.... just do it... and deal with any problems that come up when they do. Answer 4) You mentioned "People who could just afford buying it" could take things they don't need. Cool. Let them! I don't want ANYONE to have to pay for food. I want food to be free. But this line of thinking that we ONLY GIVE TO THOSE WHO DESERVE IT leads to insidious things like "means testing' where we SPEND MORE MONEY AND TIME AND EFFORT to keep food out of the mouths of those who "might not need it" than if we just used that money time and effort to feed everyone including th e "rich". Post-scarcity means post. scarcity. It's not scarce. You can get free food even if you could afford to buy it. Just feed people. We have enough. #postScarcity #freeFridge #mutualAid #solarPunk

Maria Langer (@mlanger ) asks a great question regarding "Free Fridges" and Post-Scarcity Mutual Aid Food Distribution:

Original Question and Thread: mastodon.world/@mlanger/113764

Question: "What worries me more is people putting tainted food into it. There are a lot of seriously fucked up people in this world. I'm old enough to remember the tainted Tylenol bottles that led to everything being safety sealed today. One nut who has it in for poor people can do a lot of damage."

Awesome question!

The short answer is THIS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME!!! OH NOOOO!!!

But not for the *reasons* you think.

People put in food that is past its "best use by" date all the time. In fact, food rescue is all about getting food that would otherwise be thrown out, past the "use by" date (but still good), sorting out which food is still good, and using that!

Heck, in traditional charity Food Bank / Food Pantry distributions, we get a pallet of fresh grapefruits and 10% will have "natural penicillin" (yuck!) or gets squashed in transit, and can't be given out. That's tainted food. We just set it aside and compost or throw it out.

I'll do you one better! Do you ever find molded tainted food in your grocery store? Of course you do. Do you ever hear about food recalls after people have gotten sick from listeria or salmonella from a corporate food manufacturer? Of course you do. Have you ever gotten food poisoning from a capitalist restaurant? Yeah, we all have.

We try to minimize it, but our current system is by no means perfect in keeping out "tainted food'. Heck... how many corporate manufacturers INTENTIONALLY SELL US tainted food just for profit? All. The. Freaking. Time.

So...

How we deal with this in our Free Fridges?

Twice a day, we have a cleaning and maintenance shift. It usually takes about ten minutes. Whoever has that time slot goes through and cleans up any spilt food (I had some busted eggs this week). We go through the food in the fridge and pantry and throw out anything that looks bad. The person cleans up trash and boxes , etc.

Also, just like you check your food at the grocery store before you buy it (go through that dozen eggs to make sure none are cracked... and put back the ones that are cracked to be taken care of by the grocery staff), when you take from the free fridge, you do the same. You conduct due diligence. Check for discoloration, broken seals, bad smells, mold, etc. Just like normal.

So far as someone putting in food that is intentionally or maliciously poisoned? That very rarely happens if ever. For one, a lot of the food is sealed. For fresh fruit, poisoning often destroys it. For home cooked food, the folks that do that often do it in bulk and label it - so you know who is doing it. If they poison it, they get arrested... just like normal... Anything unlabeled or generally suspicious is not taken by folks first off and is thrown away when noticed.

This is like razors in halloween candy. It's just not an issue.

MastodonMaria Langer | 📝 🎬 ⚒️🛥️ (@mlanger@mastodon.world)@raccoon@hollow.raccoon.quest @tinker@infosec.exchange What worries me more is people putting tainted food into it. There are a lot of seriously fucked up people in this world. I'm old enough to remember the tainted Tylenol bottles that led to everything being safety sealed today. One nut who has it in for poor people can do a lot of damage. Otherwise, great effort! Good luck.

Trash Panda (@raccoon) asks a great question regarding "Free Fridges" and Post-Scarcity Mutual Aid Food Distribution:

Original Question and Thread: hollow.raccoon.quest/notes/a2j

Question: "A thing that would worry me is people taking advantage of this and taking a shitload of food without needing it. Like, people who could just afford buying it, you know? Does it ever happen?"

Awesome question!

And it has a couple of answers or way to approach it. I'll try to answer it in those couple of ways.

Answer 1) Let them. Let them take as much as they want or need. We'll just produce more. We have the means. - There is often a worry of people "abusing" a system. This is a SCARCITY mindset. It worries that there's not enough to go around, so folks will abuse it and take from others.... BUUUUUT.... there IS enough to go around... you can take what you need, heck take more than you need, and it will be fine. We. Have. Enough.

Answer 2) Let's actually threat model this out. Like... Is this really a problem? If so... who would do it.

So the short answer is, it's not really a problem in practice. There are many free fridges already going. No one really "abuses" (in any meaningful definition of the word) the system.

So it's not a hypothetical. We can just look at what's actually happening. And it's not a concern.

Long Answer: When you grow up in scarcity and first encounter post-scarcity, it is NORMAL to hoard things.

Let me say that again.

It is NORMAL for people to take what they need NOW and then take more for what they think they will need LATER for security and even add a buffer on top of that JUST TO BE SURE!!!

Cool.

Let them.

After a while, they realize that they TOO are not consuming all they have and they start to FEED BACK INTO the post-scarcity input / output.

This is called healing.

Artificial Scarcity (read Capitalism) hurts people.
Post-Scarcity Mutual Aid heals people.

If part of that process is them using the post-scarcity system a lot until they heal and get used to having enough... then it's chill. Let them "abuse" it. It'll be fine.

Answer 3) If we give into this fear, we produce the result of the fear without the fear itself ever needing to be realized. To put it another way, if we worry people will abuse it and there won't be enough food for others, and we don't do it out of that fear... then..... there DEFINITELY isn't food for others. Lol! Out of a fear that the prophesy will come true, we have ensured that it came true. So... like.... just do it... and deal with any problems that come up when they do.

Answer 4) You mentioned "People who could just afford buying it" could take things they don't need.

Cool. Let them!

I don't want ANYONE to have to pay for food.

I want food to be free.

But this line of thinking that we ONLY GIVE TO THOSE WHO DESERVE IT leads to insidious things like "means testing' where we SPEND MORE MONEY AND TIME AND EFFORT to keep food out of the mouths of those who "might not need it" than if we just used that money time and effort to feed everyone including th
e "rich".

Post-scarcity means post. scarcity. It's not scarce. You can get free food even if you could afford to buy it.

Just feed people.

We have enough.

Raccoon HollowTrash Panda (@raccoon)@tinker@infosec.exchange a thing that would worry me is people taking advantage of this and taking a shitload of food without needing it. Like, people who could just afford buying it, you know? Does it ever happen? RE: Someone dropped off a massive food rescue haul to our free fridge and community pantry today. They're not part of my program and we're not sure who's doing it. This is awesome. It means there are others outside of our volunteer group that does maintenance on the fridges and outside of the group that I'm working with to build out our formal food rescue program. This is huge. This means we have successfully built post-scarcity *infrastructure*!!! Folks are using our fridges both to contribute and to utilize. Folks that have nothing to do directly with the core group of maintainers. Wow. We need to build more free fridges. This one is running out of room. #freeFridge #foodSecurity #postScarcity #mutualAid #solarPunk #foodRescue (📎3)
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. @kechpaja - Au contraire, my friend!!!

Prepare yourself for a lengthy rebuttal! (And thank you for the opportunity to info-dump on you!)

So this *is* an example of post-scarcity infrastructure. But how and why?

High Level Definition of Post-Scarcity Food (so that we may agree on terms): Post Scarcity is where we produce more food than is consumed and distribute that food out. It can be universal or local - so unevenly distributed post-scarcity or the fact that one area has it and another doesn't, does not imply that post-scarcity in the place that has it does not exist.

Great.

In the *pragmatic* sense: Post Scarcity Food needs inputs and outputs. Contributions and Distributions.

Overview:

*Current* Contributions / Inputs (read: not ideal, not what is being built or hoped for, but how it is right now):
- Charity (which you reduced food rescue and free fridges down into)
- Food Rescue (not charity... not even mutual aid)
- Mutual Aid

Current Distributions / Outputs
- Centralized
- Decentralized
- Peer-to-peer

Detail:

Contributions / Inputs

- Charity: Examples of this include food drives, food banks, church food pantries. Charities are not ideal and often have conditions tied to them ("Means Testing" and the like). They rely on "people being kind and generous" as you put it. If all we had was charity, we would not be in post-scarcity. While charity is often a cover for artificial-scarcity (our current over-arching economic model), it CAN be used as an input into post-scarcity. You just can't rely on it and need to build it further infrastructure. I use it because its there, but it's more of a transition thing.

- Food Rescue: Food Rescue is not Charity. Food Rescue is not Mutual Aid. Current Food Rescue relies on a capitalistic model. A for-profit store/restaurant/bakery/etc makes food to sell. Cannot sell all of it. Instead of throwing it away, it "donates" the left over good food to be consumed elsewhere. Food Rescue is NOT out of the goodness of a corporation's heart. Corporations do not have hearts. They cannot be kind or generous. Instead, Food Rescue is applied to the bottom line / profit margin and is justified by things such as "lowering the fees for trash" and "having a tax-writeoff to a non-profit (again within a capitalistic system). But! While Food Rescue is not charity and relies on the current capitalist system, it absolutely shows that we produce MORE than is consumed. Ironically, an example that we have the MEANS for post-scarcity. I use it because its there and is a ready source of feeding people. While I push for post-scarcity, I care about feeding people *now*.

- Mutual Aid: This is the ideal and the model for a full post-scarcity economy, and we're already building this out. Community Farms / Ranches (Centralized), Community Gardens / Local Small Scale Ranches (Decentralized), and Home Gardens / Home Ranches of various forms (peer-to-peer) are ways that we produce for ourselves, our neighbors, and our towns. This is post-scarcity mutual aid and does not rely on the people being kind and generous. It relies on us taking care of our neighbors AND ourselves (call it selfish if you like). Mutual means mutual.

Detail:

Distributions / Outputs

- Centralized: The charity model uses food pantries / churches / mobile pantries to distribute out food from a food bank. We can utilize that now, but we are absolutely not (nor should we be) limited by it. Instead, Free Stores are the Centralized model of post-scarcity mutual aid.

- Decentralized: Free Fridges & Community Pantries - This is where my fridge above fits in. It's not charity by any means. It's a node in a distribution network.

- Peer-to-peer: The simplest form of this is one person handing it to another. A neighbor asking for sugar. Handing off your extra squash on your street corner. You can scale this up using things like mobile apps such as Olio to coordinate this across larger areas.

Great, so we laid out inputs and outputs for post-scarcity food.

To give a specific example, see this post: infosec.exchange/@tinker/11258

There I show how I used the Input of a Mutual Aid Home Garden and the Output of a Decentralized Free Fridge.

None of that was charity. None of it was "kind and generous". Instead it was building the infrastructure for post-scarcity mutual aid that I use myself.

I take from the free fridge all the time. I drop off at the free fridge all the time. I produce for the community. I consume from the community.

We have the tech & the means. We have built infrastructure already (see the original post). We are now scaling it out.

Infosec ExchangeTinker ☀️ (@tinker@infosec.exchange)Attached: 3 images I'm not the only one stocking the community fridge. It was packed today! #solarPunk #mutualAid #foodSecurity #postScarcity

Someone dropped off a massive food rescue haul to our free fridge and community pantry today.

They're not part of my program and we're not sure who's doing it. This is awesome. It means there are others outside of our volunteer group that does maintenance on the fridges and outside of the group that I'm working with to build out our formal food rescue program.

This is huge.

This means we have successfully built post-scarcity *infrastructure*!!!

Folks are using our fridges both to contribute and to utilize. Folks that have nothing to do directly with the core group of maintainers. Wow.

We need to build more free fridges. This one is running out of room.

6.9: There's More to Explore: Diving Deeper Into Fully Automated! a Solarpunk RPG, With Andy Gross

Due to personal issues, Christina couldn't take part in the original interview with Andy Gross about the solarpunk role playing game Fully Automated! that made up S6E2. But she had questions. In this episode, she had a chance to ask them. Before you grab your dice and download the game (for free!) at fullyautomatedrpg.com/ have a listen!

youtu.be/rVbt259kvoY?si=X8pIWa

#solarpunk #SolarpunkPresentsPodcast #podcast #SolarpunkPodcast #Episode #seasonSix @FullyAutomatedRPG #TTRPG #RPG #postScarcity #roleplaying #tabletoproleplaying #imagination #imaginativeexpansion #games

fullyautomatedrpg.comFully Automated! RPG – Fully Automated solarpunk tabletop role playing game

Brainstorming Request! - I need help coming up with a name.

So some solarpunks and anarchists and mutual aid folks and food folks are coming together in my town and we need a group name.

Two constraints:

It needs to be: FXBG <something>

FXBG is the local town branding for Fredericksburg. So we have FXBG Hackers, FXBG Solarpunks, FXBG Winery, FXBG Arsonists, FXBG... well you get the idea.

The other is we want it do be food related. Mutual aid related. Sort of thing. So something that encapsulates food security, free fridges, food rescue / gleaning. Buuuut... its not the only mutual aid group in town, so it can't be too overarching. Like no FXBG Mutual Aid or similar.

What are your (and I mean you... the one who read all the way to the bottom of this post) thoughts?

"FXBG Free Fridge & Food Rescue" is too much of a mouthful.

"FXBG Food" is too generic

"FXBG Gleaners" isn't specific enough

"FXBG Food Rescue" doesn't include the free fridges.

I need help!!!!