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@ophiocephalic @FediPact @VeilidNetwork @spritely > This is why it's critical to lend support and solidarity to protocol projects pointing beyond ActivityPub like @spritely and @VeilidNetwork

Oh, are there properly distributed/p2p alternatives to ActivityPub coming up (some kind of spiritual successor to Scuttlebutt?) using those? It's a vulnerability and loss of agency that has been grating on me.

#Veilid #p2p #ActivityPub #Spritely #Goblins #Scuttlebutt

#TIL about #TildeFriends;

"... a platform for building, running, and sharing web applications."

"Tilde Friends participates in the Secure #Scuttlebutt distributed social network.

... The social network integration provides tools for connecting with other people world-wide while still allowing apps and everything to operate offline."

tildefriends.net/

There's a web app at that address and an app in F-Droid. Cool idea, but it's an early prototype, nothing about how to use it is obvious.

tildefriends.netTilde Friends - Make friends and apps from your web browser.Tilde Friends is a Secure Scuttlebutt client and a platform for building, running, and sharing web applications.

okubrowser.github.io/

Beaker Browser was a Chromium-based Web browser that incorporated the Dat protocol with the primary aim of enabling peer-to-peer static site sharing. To this end, Oku is similar; in fact, Beaker Browser was part of the inspiration to create Oku. The two projects diverge in their long-term ambitions, however; (...)

Hyped 🔥

okubrowser.github.io Oku · Your new home on the Internet Your new home on the Internet

Although a lot of the P2P attention and energy attracted by SSB has moved to Nostr (eg the Planetary team pivoting to nos.social), the dominant cultures of the 2 networks remain very different (SolarPunk vs. CryproBro).

Anyone lurking here with a window into the current state of Scuttlebutt? I have questions.

1) How many SSB apps are in active development?

2) How many of these apps are usable as beta tester? As a daily driver?

(1/?)

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@ErikUden @ZekuZelalem data saving compared to mainstream social Media. But there are also other Protocols. I think Mastodon uses REST. Even if its compressed, gRPC with Protocol Buffers should use less data transfer.

Other social networks like @manyver_se use the #Scuttlebutt protocol, which can work offline p2p, messages could be propagated just by people visiting different WiFi Hotspots during the day.
But I heard, it does use a lot of storage on your device. And I think, it would use lot of

"I want to go back to how it was a couple years ago with more people actively using it as a social platform and community to enjoy life instead of chatting about protocols. I want to go back to curated diaries, vegan junkfood, internal jokes, mushrooms everywhere, coffee posts, and a kinda of cool hippie solarpunkish culture community in which the protocol was just the tool and not the objective."

@soapdog on #ScuttleButt

viewer.scuttlebot.io/%25YkZCLl

viewer.scuttlebot.io%YkZCLlnbRL8ZN0aFn6Uz07wU0I5qUFaqo5rvxRaLKOU=.sha256 | ssb-viewer

I've been able to re-connect to #Scuttlebutt p2p network using my old private key

I downloaded all my history, messages, account settings etc... from peers :flan_aww:

You can read a bit about this interesting p2p social network protocol:
dataswamp.org/~solene/2020-11- (oasis client on OpenBSD stopped working and I gave up, but the text is still interesting)

Solene's Percent %Solene'% : Join the peer to peer social network Scuttlebutt using OpenBSD and Oasis

The future of participatory information exchange on the internet may not simply be the issue of "centralized vs decentralized vs distributed", but rather how dynamic the infrastructure used can adapt and be scaled to different contexts and scenarios.

In the case of social media, blogging, and so on, I believe a mixed federation between decentralized servers (atm the #fediverse) and fully distributed instances (like secure #scuttlebutt, #ipfs and others) is the way to go.

The mid-term challenge, then, would be how decentralized servers can federate with distributed instances.

Does the #fediverse have a federated answer to any of the following?

* Signatures for my outgoing messages? (outside of the post's text itself)
* Real-time group chat (discord)
* Video "hangouts" (zoom, skype ...hangouts [google])
* Privacy (signal, telegram)
* #crypto or #blockchain anything that's _in use_

It looks like "youtube" is covered already, but any #scuttlebutt about that is appreciated. The knowledge about what's best or hot at any time is also federated 😕

While there is a lot of good discussion on anti-abuse design in #networking protocols, one thing that keeps cropping up that I absolutely do not get is the criticism against not having guaranteed deletion. Once data is transferred to another machine whose user can choose any implementation of the protocol in question, that data can be archived. The only way to guarantee deletion is something like remote attestation, ie.: stalkerware.
cc #privacy #activitypub #scuttlebutt

> I have had the uncomfortable impression that the space of decentralized projects is constantly reinventing Git-like concepts under different names. So I am personally going to explore how much we can directly leverage Git rather than reinventing eventually-consistent databases and reconciliation protocols.

Erick Lavoie wrote a paper about implementing SSB (Scuttlebutt) on Git:

arxiv.org/pdf/2307.08381.pdf

see also:

github.com/cn-uofbasel/ssb-ove

archive.org/details/p2p-basel-